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A bunch of things do the exact same thing - The GS light rocket launcher is roughly-the-same-but-heavier-than the RL Fireworks Launcher. I don't see any reason to complain. Plenty of factions have weaponry equivalencies.


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The new Heavy trooper's pack still seems weak to me. I have to hold it into the red to even lift off and then I can only fly a few feet. It's more like a very delayed jump pack right now. I recommend looking at the carbotech units if you want a "hold button" type jet pack rather then a "tap button" one.

I agree that the blast pistol seems a bit odd. It's shots aren't too damaging and its spread is so great that you really do have to jam it right into their face to be assured of a good shot. If you were to change it into something other then a shotgun pistol, which is a niche that I think has been filled, I suggest a single shot, very heavy round, pistol. Something like the coalition rotating cannon, which uses heavy shots at high speed to tear through armor. If you wanted to really run with it and have some fun you could scavenge the code from the nailer turret (viewtopic.php?f=61&t=16545&start=0&hilit=dummy+vehicle) and cause it to stick in and then, after a delay, explode. It would be a good panic weapon or something to use to damage heavy targets.


Mon Feb 14, 2011 6:37 pm
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general Blast Pistol dissent
It was kind of hackneyed together, and I was really considering making it a heavy slug pistol, but I decided that it would be best as a sort of very compact shotgun. Changes may occur.
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general Heavy Trooper jetpack dissent
If it's taking too long to fly, you're holding too much. Short and simple. Any more than a GS Heavy Machine Gun grounds it, and that's how it should be. The Heavy Trooper was intended as a durable soldier to protect your expensive investment - a heavy weapon. Other soldiers are either incapable of carrying them or too squishy, or, usually, both. The Heavy Trooper alleviates both issues at the cost of a large amount of gold. To make them able to be aerial shock troopers wielding Rocket Projectors would simply be overpowered.


Mon Feb 14, 2011 7:38 pm
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general heavy trooper pack dissent and thesoupiest's reply

Or if it bothers you guys that much, just edit the pack to be stronger. Given that it's really just a matter of taste and not an actual issue, it's not worth the argument.


Mon Feb 14, 2011 10:58 pm
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Before I head off for the day I thought I should check in here and express my approval for this mod. You're doing it right, soupy man. Polished art and effects for the most part, very good.

I might nitpick later on ;)


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Oh yeah, Geti. Criticize me just like that.


Mon Feb 14, 2011 11:17 pm
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Eh, I get a error with this, it says something like "cannot copy from Flame Hurt 1", or something like that, do you know what's wrong?


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You using B23 by any chance?


Mon Feb 14, 2011 11:21 pm
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No, I have B24 installed.


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The Heavy Trooper's jetpack is fine, I just equip him lightly and can fly almost anywhere.
And true, it would be seriously overpowered if you could equip him with the LRP or HRP and go flying and shooting. In that way he could become a gunship.


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I actually liked the way the Heavy Trooper jetpack was. It took a while to get off the ground even if you hold the jet button down. This adds to the 'heavy' feeling to it. This effect is still here in this release, only more subtle. And I'm also okay with that.

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That's a modified Dummy Rocklet if I'm not mistaken? I wonder how it'll fair indoors. Or is it an outdoors-only armor unit?


Tue Feb 15, 2011 4:08 am
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No, I have B24 installed.

You can't have. Flame hurt 1 isn't defined in B23, it is in B24. Reinstall. And make sure this time it's B24.dmg.

And that's a dreadnought, not a rocklet.


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No, the leftmost armored unit has some similarities with the dummy rocklet. I actually think too that it is a modification of it.
But what stops the dummies from taking an existing vehicle and modifying it radically?


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The Goliath will have some of the characteristics of the Rocklet, though mostly growing its own.


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The ballistic weapons don't feel right with all of the really, really high velocity stuff. You need to indicate what's happening where, especially with guns like the LMG. Trails would help a lot (as would some decreased terrain pillaging), or even lines indicating the angle of impact (in effect, a short trail pointing towards the gun from the point of impact). That's my main criticism of all of these mods, the damn guns kill stuff just fine but do it in a fairly uninteresting way. Things that get around this problem include the fireworks launcher and the explosives (though the grenade launcher could use more effects, take a look at the crobo explosives. I liked its effectiveness though).

The derelict robot is fairly excellent in everything except its jetpack: you need to replace the fuel fire emitters (or whatever the preset name is) with null sprites in the copy to prevent it seeming like its throwing debris, and some smaller fire and smoke particles would help a lot. I kind of liked how un-agile it was.

The Heavy Soldier's pack could use some aesthetic tweaking as well, make some blue "gas fire" particles to complement the flash. I like the smoke, though some larger smoke particles could make it more dramatic, now it's a little spammy.
The head sprite of the heavy could use tweaking too, under its helmet there's a patch of really inconsistent style.

The Loki troops (both the chimera crab and the soldier) could use some more descriptive wounds.
The crab's gun would look more menacing with smoke along with the sparks, maybe make a few emitters to throw out smoke trails if you're feeling dedicated.

Everything could use more small gibs, I noticed that with the large turret especially and then had a look at all the other troops (bar the derelict robot, which has great gibs, thank you oldschool vanilla) and they could really use some effects to show them dying more. The crab just sort of fell in a heap and turned into terrain, surely it would be more fun if it splashed out black smoke and blood and exploded, considering what a strong presence it can have with that gun.

Oh, some of the guns could use touching up, they're missing strong enough outlining or are banded. Go hand out on pixelation for a while to see what I mean if you don't understand.

Essentially, you've got most of the functionality down, now work on the drama. I like where this is headed.


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