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This is a question for you Homo. I'm not sure if you know anything about it, but you know so much about almost everything else I thought I might give it a try.

I've only done hallucinogenic drugs a few times (first time around my 17th birthday, 7 years ago, and then again two months ago), but I've long since thought I've had recurring effects. Not trips or any of that junk, but symptoms more akin to HPPD in a light sense, where sometimes my vision is bubbly and grainy and most all of the time I have really visible auras around objects, though not really startlingly eye catching or whatever. Thing is, it isn't all of the time like it sounds like HPPD is, so I ignore it and go on with my day.

Or I was until today, where I looked at a carpet in my workspace, got so disoriented by it (it looked like one of those optical illusions where things wave and turn) and promptly went home.

Two months ago or so I did shrooms, and it was horrendous. I got those "zaps" or whatever, where vision and sound goes to static and a wave like feeling washes over you. It felt like seizures, and by the end of the experience I was shaking constantly trying to prepare myself for the shock. After it was all done with, I was fine, except until about a month ago when I had something similar while I was trying to fall asleep. Just one very mild thing, but it was the same sensation.

And then last night I thought I had one while I was asleep (if that's even possible. It was like, during a dream).

I'm curious to know what you think of that. If it's related, or if the wavy ground was something like a migraine aura, or if I'm just imagining the shocks or whatever.


Have you ever been on any psychiatric medication? I started getting zaps because of an NDRI I was taking, and they've persisted even months after going off. It's rarely more than a few times a week and it's not really any great inconvenience, but it's there. I've never had them because of a psychedelic drug, but I once smoked waaaay too much synth cannabinoids and it was like the 'zap' feeling but constant instead of in flashes, not a fun experience at all. I couldn't even begin to speculate as to what causes them, or what they mean. I recommend talking to a doctor about it if they're interfering with your life at all.

As far as the HPPD-like symptoms, HPPD isn't really as cut and dry as the hallucinogenic perception not going away, or at least there is a need for different classes of these sort of symptoms. Throughout years of various psychedelic use, I've had a number of visual and auditory phenomena come and go. You ever seen those grills for overhead fluorescents that are essentially grids of mirrors? Like Image or something, for a while those would swim and move around and turn colors for me, it just went away. This and other things just came and went, and occasionally I get random isolated flashes of things like that, which is what I think is actually meant by "flashback", not the technicolor experience most people envision when they hear that word. This is, apparently, a fairly common experience, and I wouldn't worry about it unless it gives you a reason to worry.


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And I guess that's kind of what I mean. Had I told my doctor I was feeling depressed and wasn't eating, I might have gotten prescribed some anti-depression thing, when all I needed was more nutrients. (To be fair, living in one of the five most overcast states in a house where I literally boarded up windows to keep sun out probably doesn't help my D levels)


It's worth noting that pretty much any psychiatrist you talk to about depression is going to ask if you are a hikkikomori and vitamin D is a fairly common recommendation for depressed people in wintry states. Doctors in the nordic countries actually prescribe full spectrum lightbulbs to people who are depressed.

re: everything else, everything should go away in a few months to a year, I haven't heard of little things like these lasting longer, and afaik there's no real treatment for HPPD except maybe benzos or something.


Wed May 07, 2014 5:03 pm
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I have always just figured that was just people thinking about how much shisha is required to fill a hookah and thinking smoking that much weed is wasteful. I don't think it would be any more wasteful than a normal bong, considering it literally is just a bong with a hose.


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It's generally called a carb, whether it's called a carb or a choke tends to depend on what your region calls an actual carb/choke. I could see that making sense, except all the excess smoke just sits inside the thing uncleared getting stale, since the top of it doesn't really smoke that much right? Been a while since I've touched a hookah.


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Dear Friends,

Sasha died today, at exactly 5 o'clock in the afternoon. He was surrounded by family and caretakers and Buddhist meditation music, and his going was graceful, with almost no struggle at all.

Thanks to all of you, and Blessings,

Ann Shulgin


I cannot describe to you all how sharply I feel this loss. I imagine almost none of you know who Alexander "Sasha" Shulgin is, but his life's work contributed so much to mine, I cannot imagine the man I would be today without him. I keep realizing that I no longer live in a world where walks one of my greatest heroes, and it hurts.

Sasha and Ann founded Erowid, a harm reduction information database dedicated to helping people all over the world explore their consciousnesses safely. Sasha and Ann wrote TiHKAL and PiHKAL, two books that have had an incredible impact on the world, though most of you will not know it. Sasha was a pioneer in the field of psychedelic research, and it staggers me to imagine how many lives he has touched directly with his work. He was gentle, thoughtful, intelligent, and everything I have ever striven to be. My heart breaks for Ann, his wife, for if I love him so just by reading his words and knowing his work, I cannot imagine the pain his loss must bring her. This is a poor memorial for a great man.

Gate gate para gate parasamgate bodhi svaha! All hail the goer. Our love goes with you.

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Tue Jun 03, 2014 5:34 pm
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I think at that age, having gone through so much with somebody, the loss is less a tragedy and more an understanding. I imagine.

You imagine wrong, bud. It depends on the person, such a general statement about how any given human might react to a death ought to have set off alarm bells in your head.


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Accepting something doesn't mean you aren't sad about it, it just means that you accept the sadness too. Even Siddhartha was sad, at times. Funerals aren't supposed to make a difference, funerals are for the living, not the dead. Gate gate paragate parasamgate.


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... Gautama Buddha's first name is Siddhartha, I wasn't talking about the book. Good book though. You think too much.


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Alcohol will readily dissolve the desired compound, you don't need to lower the alcohol levels afterward. Figure out your average dose of weed in weight, decide on size of bottle

where y = bottle size and x = desired strength and z = total weight added to bottle

y / z = x is how volumetric dosing is done (it's 1 AM and my brain is broken atm so this math may be wrong but you can figure it out)

You don't need to soak it for weeks or whatever like people will tell you, just finely grind your product, throw it in your bottle, seal and agitate every once in a bit for like five or ten minutes, voila you've got a tincture strain the weed out of that ♥♥♥♥ with cheesecloth or a pair of boxers or something and you're set

people mostly call it green dragon or some ♥♥♥♥ but it's a tincture

decarboxylating your product beforehand will increase the potency of z but I'll let you research that one on your own

it's worth noting you can do this with a different kind of solvent, say naphtha (you better make damn sure you get clean solvent, benzene is not good for you, google for brands recommended for DMT extraction to find a clean-evaporating brand and still do an evap test on a piece of glass, there should be no residue left over after evaporation), and let the solvent evaporate and you will have a crude and dirt oil, but I don't recommend it because some of the solvent is very likely to remain in your product, but this can be fixed with effort


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drunken ophanim tries to describe DMT, which is literally impossible and I say that utterly devoid of hyperbole

but you may find it interesting to read
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[03:47:28] <+ComradePyro> "As I exhaled I became terribly afraid, my heart very rapid and strong, palms sweating. A terrible sense of dread and doom filled me -- I knew what was happening, I knew I couldn't stop it, but it was so devastating; I was being destroyed -- all that was familiar, all reference points, all identity -- all viciously shattered in a few seconds. I couldn't even mourn the loss -- there was no one left to do the mourning. Up, up, out, out, eyes closed, I am at the speed of light, expanding, expanding, expanding, faster and faster until I have become so large that I no longer exist -- my speed is so great that everything has come to a stop -- here I gaze upon the entire universe."
[03:47:37] <+ComradePyro> shulgin nailin' it
[03:48:03] <Adriaan224_> what is this about?
[03:48:26] <+ComradePyro> 100 mg of DMT, smoked
[03:48:31] <Adriaan224_> lol
[03:48:37] <Adriaan224_> isee...
[03:48:38] <+ComradePyro> I cannot recommend DMT enough
[03:48:56] <+ComradePyro> it's an eye opener for sure
[03:48:56] <Adriaan224_> DMT is what exactly?
[03:49:34] <+ComradePyro> n,n-dimethyltryptamine
[03:50:05] <+ComradePyro> I can't think of a succint moniker for it
[03:50:25] <+ComradePyro> all words fail the experience by the greatest imaginable margin
[03:50:45] <Adriaan224_> huh
[03:50:54] * Alphagamer774 (~Alphagame@5914EDF5.60D20ECA.68D59CF3.IP) has joined #lonelyden
[03:51:09] <Adriaan224_> sounds kinda scary tbh, from that description
[03:51:16] <Adriaan224_> hey again alpha
[03:51:27] <+ComradePyro> it is terrifying
[03:51:28] * Alphagamer774 waves
[03:51:34] <+ComradePyro> but "terrifying" doesn't really apply
[03:51:43] <+ComradePyro> terrifying is only meaningful from a sober perspective
[03:51:49] <becquerele> eating bvacon covered in cheese and absolutely not giving a ♥♥♥♥
[03:51:49] <Adriaan224_> hmm
[03:51:58] <+ComradePyro> drugs tend to bring about new vocabularies
[03:51:59] <Adriaan224_> damnit bec
[03:52:03] <Adriaan224_> making me hungry
[03:52:12] <+ComradePyro> DMT requires a whole new language
[03:52:17] <+ComradePyro> normal language is post-thought
[03:52:22] <+ComradePyro> DMT is
[03:52:45] <+ComradePyro> *hits gong* and you listen to the sustain
[03:52:46] <+ComradePyro> forever
[03:53:15] <+ComradePyro> a shade of a shade of a shade of a description
[03:53:42] <Fine> stop making it mystical
[03:54:04] <+ComradePyro> who said anything about it being mystical?
[03:54:07] <+ComradePyro> it's a drug
[03:54:38] <+ComradePyro> stop perceiving me as making it mystical
[03:55:02] <+ComradePyro> a terrible violence, asserting your lack of understanding as an assertion of mine
[03:55:50] <+ComradePyro> seems to me you meant to say "I don't understand and I object to this"
[03:56:29] <+ComradePyro> read a bunch of descriptions of DMT and then try it
[03:56:32] <+ComradePyro> see if you can do any better
[03:56:52] <+ComradePyro> what is color?
[03:56:54] <+ComradePyro> what is sound?
[03:57:00] <+ComradePyro> explain taste to a man with no tongue
[03:57:23] <Adriaan224_> we all have the same sensory organs though
[03:57:37] <+ComradePyro> and DMT has nothing to do with any of them
[03:58:33] <+ComradePyro> I've used the word "rainbow" as part of a description of something experienced during DMT
[03:58:49] <+ComradePyro> but color is a product of an interpretation of a signal from the eyes
[03:59:01] <+ComradePyro> and so color really had nothing to do with it, but it did
[03:59:18] <+ComradePyro> all colors and none and something else altogether
[03:59:24] <+ComradePyro> or, for short, "rainbow"
[03:59:31] <+ComradePyro> a shade of a shade of a shade of a description
[03:59:40] <+ComradePyro> stop explaining things I don't understand, it sounds mystical.
[03:59:44] <+ComradePyro> what hubris
[04:00:19] <+ComradePyro> ever watched a movie you really, really love with a friend who didn't like it that much?
[04:00:22] <+ComradePyro> sounds mystical
[04:01:39] <Adriaan224_> my butt sounds pretty mystical
[04:02:23] <+ComradePyro> if you want analytical, problem-solving language, I have to talk like this when discussing drugs in general, psychedelics specifically, and DMT even more specifically, because it changes your mental state so completely so as to render the usual words you use to relate experiences, which rely on a common understanding of a thing and an understood word symbol for that thing, irrelevant
[04:02:42] <+ComradePyro> explain color to a blind man
[04:02:56] <+ComradePyro> all I can do is make analogies
[04:03:11] <+ComradePyro> you will never understand any of them, but they can sound nice
[04:03:40] <+ComradePyro> mystical, sounds like "bah humbug"
[04:04:37] <Adriaan224_> yeah, i get what youre trying to say
[04:04:46] <+ComradePyro> if you've ever used marijuana it's an easy thing to grasp
[04:05:03] <+ComradePyro> nobody even tries to explain drunk, but I find people trying to explain high a lot
[04:05:46] <+ComradePyro> there are two definitions of mystical according to google
[04:05:54] <Adriaan224_> maybe because drunk is more common so there is less need for explanation
[04:05:59] <+ComradePyro> "inspiring a sense of spiritual mystery, awe, and fascination." is close
[04:06:04] <+ComradePyro> spiritual is a muddy word though
[04:06:09] <+ComradePyro> everything else is spot on
[04:06:18] <+ComradePyro> DMT is mystical
[04:06:24] <+ComradePyro> spiritual is relative though
[04:06:40] <+ComradePyro> the analytical mind desires rocks of axioms to extrapolate from
[04:06:54] <+ComradePyro> there are no axioms to be found, only subjective truths with few exceptions
[04:07:02] <+ComradePyro> nothing relates to everything
[04:07:09] <+ComradePyro> that's a double entendre
[04:07:22] * Alphagamer774 (~Alphagame@5914EDF5.60D20ECA.68D59CF3.IP) Quit (Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Po-ta-to, boil em, mash em, stick em in a stew.)
[04:07:38] <+ComradePyro> oogy boogy you're cursed-a-woogy
[04:07:53] <+ComradePyro> communicate with aliens and angels and all sorts of entities, maaaaaaaan
[04:08:06] <Adriaan224_> ♥♥♥♥ yeah
[04:08:36] <+ComradePyro> electrochemical neural storm or spiritual antenna which is a smoky reflection of God, whtever that is
[04:08:38] <+ComradePyro> who knows
[04:08:47] <+ComradePyro> qualia exist, though
[04:08:54] <+ComradePyro> that much you can see, hee hee
[04:09:34] <+ComradePyro> the qualia of "red" to a man blind since birth
[04:10:02] <+ComradePyro> the qualia of "*the sustained note of a gong*" to a man deaf since birth
[04:10:51] <+ComradePyro> Watts said, in a lecture, something along the lines of "There is no past, there is no future, there is only *gong and sustain for a few moments*, and we shant give it a name"
[04:10:54] <+ComradePyro> smart not to give it a name
[04:11:16] <+ComradePyro> symbols too often conflated with what they represent
[04:12:06] * Adriaan224_ (~Adriaan22@Rizon-878C2626.direct-adsl.nl) Quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
[04:12:09] <+ComradePyro> a man, having nearly burned to death, describes the intensity of the experience
[04:12:17] <+ComradePyro> "stop making it mystical" rings a cry from the audience
[04:12:33] <+ComradePyro> mouth stuffed with words, could be
[04:12:41] <+ComradePyro> man talks to himself in multiplayer notepad
[04:12:43] <+ComradePyro> alcohol, could be
[04:13:38] <+ComradePyro> fine you know many people think most human mysticism arose from psychedelic drugs
[04:13:47] <+ComradePyro> how then to make them not sound mystical if they caused mysticism
[04:14:35] <+ComradePyro> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... orized.jpg here is my mysticism
[04:14:35] * +kallemort (~kallemort@Rizon-2D66045C.bb.dnainternet.fi) Quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
[04:14:38] <+ComradePyro> pollen under SEM
[04:15:06] <+ComradePyro> http://i.imgur.com/I7K1TXn.jpg here as well
[04:15:11] <+ComradePyro> each point of light a billion suns
[04:15:22] <+ComradePyro> all above and below and in between, mystical
[04:15:37] <+ComradePyro> here, alive, awake, moving, yes
[04:16:30] * Cyrus is now known as Cyrus|Sleep


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it's nice to see this is still a thing lol. ophanim, is there anything that will make me trip harder than DMT?


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Dimethyl Hydraxine (Well, no, that's considered a bio-weapon.)


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Define "harder", but I'm reticent about giving advice to someone who asks how to "trip harder".


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Maybe he wants permanent (or long/short-term) behavioral damage.

At which point I suggest smoking artificial cabbinoids (Death is a very common symptom), or bath salts (Also death by Blue Suicide from Rampaging seems to be very common)
Death is some pretty serious behavioral damage.


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Death is not common for either of those things, stop posting.


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