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TrouserDemon
Joined: Fri Dec 29, 2006 7:42 pm Posts: 1871 Location: UK
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 Re: Renewable Energy
J23 wrote: More seriously, nuclear power is often tarnished by claims like it being related to nuclear weapons or the Chernobyl incident, which is funny because nuclear power and nuclear weapons are quite different save for the raw materials they both use, and Chernobyl was more human error (damn Commies..) than the plant itself. No, it was the other way round. Human error could happen anywhere, so that would make the Chernobyl incident more relevant, the main cause was the soviets using an hopelessly outdated design with multiple safety flaws.
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Tue Mar 17, 2009 3:25 am |
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Manticore
Joined: Tue Nov 18, 2008 1:03 am Posts: 342 Location: Spathiwa
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hydroelectric power is freaking great, aslong as you plan ahead.
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Tue Mar 17, 2009 3:50 am |
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Ophanim
Joined: Wed Dec 26, 2007 6:33 am Posts: 1743 Location: Trapped in UCP. Send help.
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Miles_T3hR4t wrote: Wind Energy: Only good in the plains. Did you know that in wind energy capturing, the electric company purposely waste +60% of the energy by adding breaks to prevent the fans from getting +X RPMs, simply to not 'over-produce'? WRONG. THEY ARE PROTECTING THE PLANET, NUMBNUTS. http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/alternative ... lution.jpgJust kidding you're a moron.
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Wed Mar 18, 2009 4:35 am |
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Grif
REAL AMERICAN HERO
Joined: Sat Jan 27, 2007 10:25 pm Posts: 5655
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Most US nuclear energy is ironically provided by disassembled Russian warheads. That's because the US uses only enriched uranium reactors, but in Canada, for example, by using heavy water as the insulator you can use much less concentrated uranium, which has a cheaper and less dangerous byproduct.
There's absolutely nothing wrong with fission as a source of generating electricity. Indeed, there's no reason not to use it.
Miles is retarded but I think everyone knew that. Seriously, ever means of power generation just about EVER works by creating heat and then using that to heat steam to spin turbines. The turbines then spin generators which generate electricity using the Faraday effect. Unless you have some better way of doing it, in which case I think you're being pretty selfish. Did you talk to the same aliens Tesla did? Seriously, Nikola Tesla conspiracy theories. D'you also think he caused the Tunguska explosion, invented a death ray, and smashed his earthquake generator with a sledgehammer?
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Wed Mar 18, 2009 5:36 am |
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Ophanim
Joined: Wed Dec 26, 2007 6:33 am Posts: 1743 Location: Trapped in UCP. Send help.
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Tesla conspiracies always were the most interesting.
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Wed Mar 18, 2009 4:53 pm |
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Miles_T3hR4t
Joined: Mon Jun 04, 2007 5:55 am Posts: 1627 Location: Ohio
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Okay, I am going to do my best to reply to this and cover everything TrouserDemon wrote: Miles_T3hR4t wrote: My thoughts on all energy sources, in no particular order.
Coal : Wasteful, and causes pollution. Do not use Oil : Second verse, same as the first. Nuclear power : In-efficient in its present state. We cause nuclear reactions to... boil water for a turbine. No.Guess what this is how most power stations work, burning a material to heat water, make steam, turn turbine What I meant was there is light, and radiation emitted, which is tens of thousands of times more energy, than is produced as heat by nuclear power, and that we have no way to harness the radiation itself, which is exponentially greater than the heat, per volume of power-cell, in any given reaction.
Solar power : In its present state, no, its in-efficient. In the form of a solar net in space, fudge yes. Hydro-power: Useful, but is not a constant. Requires vast resources, for little result. NoYes, water runs out, no constant there. I simply meant the materials to build a hydro electric dam, takes a large amount of resources, and it takes up to 20 years to earn back the monetary value of said materials. Tidal power : Doesn't work, more energy is required to start, than what is gained. No. Because tides run out before they pay for the power station Tidal power is boats which capture each wave, to turn a turbine, and power batteries, which are then brought back to land. it's a very stupid, expensive, and wasteful idea, since it takes more energy to do, than what is gained.
Geothermal power : Perfect power source, assuming there is never an earthquake. Maybe.Because it's no problem at all to drill down 5 miles anywhere where power is needed Geothermal energy, will last for 20,000 years after the sun burns out, and 1 hour of geothermal energy, is enough to power the planet, for a week, assuming we harness its maximum gain (IE additional heat from the sun per hour) Wind Energy: Only good in the plains. Did you know that in wind energy capturing, the electric company purposely waste +60% of the energy by adding breaks to prevent the fans from getting +X RPMs, simply to not 'over-produce'?Why the actual fudge would they waste power when they are still producing below demand. first of all, the link that was posted, is one reason. The second is, the wires can only hold X voltage, or they will burn out, try to run a current through steel wool, it just burns up, try to run 10,000 volts at 9 amps, through the wire in a pair of headphones. the result, fire and red-hot metal. the 3rd reason, is that under producing wind power, requires more power from other sources, such as coal, oil, and nuclear power, which costs US MORE, and creates a massive profit for those providing fuel. It all boils down to 'fuel based economy can't have natural or free energy because there's no profit'
Tesla's Lightning capture (Huge lightning rod that captures the current in the clouds) 100% useful, all specific information, blueprints, and working models, destroyed and/or classified by the US Government, because they don't want free energy.METAL POLE. Also where do you get your constant course of lighting from? There are hundreds, of MILLIONS of volts, in the form of electro-static currents, CONSTANTLY drifting in the the lower atmosphere, the earths rotation generates static, from friction with the air itself. put a highly conductive rod, that extends to, i'm not sure how high, i'd guess troposphere, but anyway, the static in the atmosphere is then grounded by this rod, and as science has shown, electricity, will move through miles of wire, against circuits, before it moves through an inch of air, therefor, this rod only needs a break in it, and use the top, and the ground, as + and -.
Magnet wheels: used in science fiction, consists of a wheel of magnets, inside another wheel of magnets, that oppose and repel, making the inner wheel spin. The inner wheel will achieve the terminal velocity of the environment it is in, In a vacuum, with no-resistance, would approach the speed of light. feasible to start, output would only rise, unfortunately, If it goes to fast, it would burn out all wires, and, once started, it could not be stopped, without devastation. My preferred energy source.You prefer something that risky? Also how do we bring this energy down from space? Not in space, in a large Hyperbaric Chamber. it wouldn't be that hard, you just have to control the speed by controlling the air-pressure and resistance .... it isn't a giant space-wheel, that would be just stupid..
I hope that sums everything up.
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Thu Mar 19, 2009 9:16 am |
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Ophanim
Joined: Wed Dec 26, 2007 6:33 am Posts: 1743 Location: Trapped in UCP. Send help.
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Tidal power isn't boats where the ♥♥♥♥ did you hear that "Geothermal energy, will last for 20,000 years after the sun burns out, and 1 hour of geothermal energy, is enough to power the planet, for a week, assuming we harness its maximum gain (IE additional heat from the sun per hour)" Where did you pull this figure from?
First of all, the link that was posted, is one reason. The second is, the wires can only hold X voltage, or they will burn out, try to run a current through steel wool, it just burns up, try to run 10,000 volts at 9 amps, through the wire in a pair of headphones. the result, fire and red-hot metal. the 3rd reason, is that under producing wind power, requires more power from other sources, such as coal, oil, and nuclear power, which costs US MORE, and creates a massive profit for those providing fuel. It all boils down to 'fuel based economy can't have natural or free energy because there's no profit' You said it like they were BIG FAT CAPITALIST PIGS D:< bro. Stop contradicting yourself.
There are hundreds, of MILLIONS of volts, in the form of electro-static currents, CONSTANTLY drifting in the the lower atmosphere Again, cite your sources.
tl;dr stop pulling fake stats out of your ass also try not to contradict yourself.
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Thu Mar 19, 2009 10:03 am |
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TrouserDemon
Joined: Fri Dec 29, 2006 7:42 pm Posts: 1871 Location: UK
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Miles_T3hR4t wrote: Tidal power is boats which capture each wave, to turn a turbine, and power batteries, which are then brought back to land. it's a very stupid, expensive, and wasteful idea, since it takes more energy to do, than what is gained. What the hell are you bleating on about, you wankstain. Tidal power is basically like a wind turbine in water, turned by the tide moving in and out, generating power with a dynamo.
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Thu Mar 19, 2009 6:30 pm |
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Duh102
happy carebear mom
Joined: Tue Mar 04, 2008 1:40 am Posts: 7096 Location: b8bbd5
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TrouserDemon wrote: Tidal power is basically like a wind turbine in water, turned by the tide moving in and out, generating power with a dynamo. Would those bobbing wave generators be lumped into tidal power? Them and the snakey ones.
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Thu Mar 19, 2009 8:29 pm |
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TrouserDemon
Joined: Fri Dec 29, 2006 7:42 pm Posts: 1871 Location: UK
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What I described was one of the simplest forms of Tidal Power Generation, I'm sure there are countless variations.
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Thu Mar 19, 2009 10:14 pm |
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Miles_T3hR4t
Joined: Mon Jun 04, 2007 5:55 am Posts: 1627 Location: Ohio
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Duh102 wrote: TrouserDemon wrote: Tidal power is basically like a wind turbine in water, turned by the tide moving in and out, generating power with a dynamo. Would those bobbing wave generators be lumped into tidal power? Them and the snakey ones. The 2nd link is what I was talking about. Also, I don't remember where I originally found those numbers, but I remember them. Geo-thermal energy is just the earth capturing heat from the sun, the earth is always in the light of the sun, and is always absorbing light and heat. the only way geothermal energy will wear off, is if the sun stops providing light and heat. and if you don't think that the SUN can provide that much power, then your an idiot. and as for people being greedy power-hungry 'capitalist pigs' thats just the thing. they are. If you mount large enough solar panels on your house, and disconnect from the power grid, the Department of water and power will take you to court for stealing energy from them.
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Fri Mar 20, 2009 1:47 am |
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Duh102
happy carebear mom
Joined: Tue Mar 04, 2008 1:40 am Posts: 7096 Location: b8bbd5
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Miles_T3hR4t wrote: Geo-thermal energy is just the earth capturing heat from the sun *sigh* Go read this. Or this if you don't trust Wiki. Btw, saying Miles_T3hR4t wrote: Also, I don't remember where I originally found those numbers, but I remember them. does not lend any more credibility to your statement. Find some articles (that are not conspiracy theories, if you don't mind) and then you'll be credible.
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Fri Mar 20, 2009 2:01 am |
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Ophanim
Joined: Wed Dec 26, 2007 6:33 am Posts: 1743 Location: Trapped in UCP. Send help.
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Miles_T3hR4t wrote: Duh102 wrote: TrouserDemon wrote: Tidal power is basically like a wind turbine in water, turned by the tide moving in and out, generating power with a dynamo. Would those bobbing wave generators be lumped into tidal power? Them and the snakey ones. The 2nd link is what I was talking about. Also, I don't remember where I originally found those numbers, but I remember them. Geo-thermal energy is just the earth capturing heat from the sun, the earth is always in the light of the sun, and is always absorbing light and heat. the only way geothermal energy will wear off, is if the sun stops providing light and heat. and if you don't think that the SUN can provide that much power, then your an idiot. and as for people being greedy power-hungry 'capitalist pigs' thats just the thing. they are. If you mount large enough solar panels on your house, and disconnect from the power grid, the Department of water and power will take you to court for stealing energy from them. GEO EARTH THERMAL HEAT I DO NOT SEE SOL ANYWHERE HERE OH GOD GUYS MY DEFINITION IS STUPID. Also what the almighty ♥♥♥♥ no they won't. They'll actually pay you if you produce more energy than you consume you stupid piece of ♥♥♥♥. I know people who do it. There is no "DEPARTMENT OF WATER AND POWER" water/power companies are private businesses.
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Fri Mar 20, 2009 2:12 am |
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zalo
Joined: Sat Feb 03, 2007 7:11 pm Posts: 1496
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The sun has nothing to do with Geothermal Energy. It would be called Heliothermal energy if it did.
You see, billions of years ago, a giant meteor struck the Earth, and lots of earth pieces went flying about. There was also tremendous heat created by the friction of the impact. When it finally came back to the core Earth the most dense elements and materials (like Iron) sunk the core and became our molten Iron Core of today. Uranium, Potassium and Thorium also sunk down there because they were dense and they are heating the core currently with their radioactive decay. The less dense stuff came out on top and formed our atmosphere. The stuff in-between became our ground (Crust and Mantel). Also, one of the pieces that flew off became the moon. And then Life formed because all the gases and water vapor condensed, and the lighting made it turn into Amino Acids and life came about.
But what you need to get out of that is "Our core was heated by meteor strike and is now heated by uranium, not the sun".
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Fri Mar 20, 2009 3:24 am |
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The Fat Sand Rat
Joined: Sun Apr 15, 2007 5:56 am Posts: 1191 Location: outside the shithole called the University in the Forest
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Life thing is a theory. Still could have been an invisible plate of pasta flying around. But I digress. Quite frankly, Miles, you should really try one of the two following options- A: read a book, read a book, read a ♥♥♥♥ BOOK (and then cite it) B: stop talking. Tidal energy is boats? Where the flying ♥♥♥♥ did you get that idea? That's like saying that wind power is a bunch of airplanes that have, like, turbines, but in reverse, that get energy from the wind, man! Zalo; I thought the heat was due to the enormous pressure, since, y'know, there's a whole planet around the core. Was it a meteor strike? I know there was one, but I thought that pressure had something to do with the core. I'm probably wrong.
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