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It's worth noting that pretty much any psychiatrist you talk to about depression is going to ask if you are a hikkikomori and vitamin D is a fairly common recommendation for depressed people in wintry states. Doctors in the nordic countries actually prescribe full spectrum lightbulbs to people who are depressed.


Without knowing what they were, I actually bought a lot of full spectrum bulbs because I felt like normal bulbs didn't "feel right." I didn't really notice a distance other than they got significantly hotter and burned me at one point. I don't think I bought them again.

And I probably would have got a recommendation for D anyways, but I don't know, I never mentioned it. I don't really mention my feelings to the doctor, because she's a doctor and not a psychiatrist.


So back to drugs, I bought a hookah recently and I've been making my own shisha because I make everything nowadays and I was uncomfortable with the chemicals that might be in shisha (I mean, look at it. how can there NOT be weird chemicals?). It's all pretty straightforward, and people have been asking if I'm gonna sell it (I'm not going to, that requires work).

A friend of mine came to help, and later when we tried it out, he wanted to put some weed in the hookah. I've always heard that weed in hookahs was a waste, but I didn't object because it was his, and he does what he wants with his own weed. We didn't put a ton in, but we both got kinda baked. It seemed like a reasonable high for how much it was in, and I think there's still some left over.

What exactly is so wasteful about it?


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I have always just figured that was just people thinking about how much shisha is required to fill a hookah and thinking smoking that much weed is wasteful. I don't think it would be any more wasteful than a normal bong, considering it literally is just a bong with a hose.


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I don't even think filling it is required. If you fill it and don't finish, you can come back later. If you put in only a little, then there's no problems.

Maybe it's because there isn't a choke to "clean out the smoke" or whatever you call it and so any excess smoke just kinda floats away while somebody isn't puffing on it.


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It's generally called a carb, whether it's called a carb or a choke tends to depend on what your region calls an actual carb/choke. I could see that making sense, except all the excess smoke just sits inside the thing uncleared getting stale, since the top of it doesn't really smoke that much right? Been a while since I've touched a hookah.


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(I've always heard a choke, but I'm also not knowledgeable on the subject) It doesn't let out so much smoke, but if you just leave it there without taking a pull, it does still burn whatever's on top.


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Sasha died today, at exactly 5 o'clock in the afternoon. He was surrounded by family and caretakers and Buddhist meditation music, and his going was graceful, with almost no struggle at all.

Thanks to all of you, and Blessings,

Ann Shulgin


I cannot describe to you all how sharply I feel this loss. I imagine almost none of you know who Alexander "Sasha" Shulgin is, but his life's work contributed so much to mine, I cannot imagine the man I would be today without him. I keep realizing that I no longer live in a world where walks one of my greatest heroes, and it hurts.

Sasha and Ann founded Erowid, a harm reduction information database dedicated to helping people all over the world explore their consciousnesses safely. Sasha and Ann wrote TiHKAL and PiHKAL, two books that have had an incredible impact on the world, though most of you will not know it. Sasha was a pioneer in the field of psychedelic research, and it staggers me to imagine how many lives he has touched directly with his work. He was gentle, thoughtful, intelligent, and everything I have ever striven to be. My heart breaks for Ann, his wife, for if I love him so just by reading his words and knowing his work, I cannot imagine the pain his loss must bring her. This is a poor memorial for a great man.

Gate gate para gate parasamgate bodhi svaha! All hail the goer. Our love goes with you.

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To be fair, he was 89. That's a long time for anybody to live, not to mention somebody who tried the majority of drugs in PiHKAL and TiHKAL.

I think at that age, having gone through so much with somebody, the loss is less a tragedy and more an understanding. I imagine.

Still a loss for humankind.

EDIT: I'm not trying to undermine your feelings. I think I tend to do that sometimes.


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Nonsequitorian wrote:

I think at that age, having gone through so much with somebody, the loss is less a tragedy and more an understanding. I imagine.

You imagine wrong, bud. It depends on the person, such a general statement about how any given human might react to a death ought to have set off alarm bells in your head.


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I dunno. Maybe. I'm not that old. I don't feel much about death now, I can't imagine I will in the future. I don't even go to friends funerals anymore, I just don't feel like it makes any difference. I hope I make it that old, and I hope I'm around family like he was. I can't think of a better way to go, and it's an inescapable truth that someday it's going to happen. Not really the point of the thread; I wont push it any further.


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Accepting something doesn't mean you aren't sad about it, it just means that you accept the sadness too. Even Siddhartha was sad, at times. Funerals aren't supposed to make a difference, funerals are for the living, not the dead. Gate gate paragate parasamgate.


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Siddhartha understood his loss. He understood that it needed to happen. Whenever I read the book, the part where his son runs away always stands out because it's one of few times where Siddhartha is truly lost. He understands why his son needs to leave, and that he will never see his son again, but he's sad because he feels like it was his fault. When Kamala dies, it doesn't carry the same weight. When Govinda leaves to follow Gautama, Siddhartha is even happy for him.

Probably one of my favorite books. I've read it a fare few times. I have a lot of thoughts about who Govinda and Siddhartha are. At the end of the book, I always feel like they were the same person. Govinda was the body and Siddhartha was the mind. Govinda, the name, is the name of a hindu god for protector of cows, so the character Govinda is a bit like the protector of Siddhartha, even when Siddhartha isn't present.

Strangely enough, Vasudevu the ferryman (which is pretty clearly, in my head, also Siddhartha) is a name for Krishna, and Govinda is also a name used for Krishna.

Gautama, the Buddha, had the birth name of Siddhartha, and and the end Siddhartha reaches Nirvana and becomes something like the Buddha.

That really only leaves Kamala. Kamala means pale red or lotus (and is both feminine and masculine as a name), and was a nickname for Lakshmi (the lotus being Lakshmi's symbol), who was the goddess of beauty and the wife of Vishnu (who is also Krishna, who is probably also Siddhartha). That leads me to think there are only those two characters, Kamala and Siddhartha.

Not sure what that means. Maybe I will when I read it again. Also that whole thing wasn't really on topic, but my name isn't non-sequitur because I'm good at keeping threads on the tracks :P


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... Gautama Buddha's first name is Siddhartha, I wasn't talking about the book. Good book though. You think too much.


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oh, uh.

yeah.

I've been doing a ton of brewing lately. Enough that I haven't needed to buy beer for a long time. I've been thinking about getting into distilling with a genuine still and stuff. It's illegal, but I'm not selling and I don't think people are going to care too much.

I've also been thinking of making that thc-alcohol mix thing (I have no idea what people call it), where you put a bunch of the devil's lettuce into a bottle of really high proof alcohol and let it sit, and then somehow lower the alcohol levels. Is that a thing that works, or is that just one of those crazy things you hear crazy people do?


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Alcohol will readily dissolve the desired compound, you don't need to lower the alcohol levels afterward. Figure out your average dose of weed in weight, decide on size of bottle

where y = bottle size and x = desired strength and z = total weight added to bottle

y / z = x is how volumetric dosing is done (it's 1 AM and my brain is broken atm so this math may be wrong but you can figure it out)

You don't need to soak it for weeks or whatever like people will tell you, just finely grind your product, throw it in your bottle, seal and agitate every once in a bit for like five or ten minutes, voila you've got a tincture strain the weed out of that ♥♥♥♥ with cheesecloth or a pair of boxers or something and you're set

people mostly call it green dragon or some ♥♥♥♥ but it's a tincture

decarboxylating your product beforehand will increase the potency of z but I'll let you research that one on your own

it's worth noting you can do this with a different kind of solvent, say naphtha (you better make damn sure you get clean solvent, benzene is not good for you, google for brands recommended for DMT extraction to find a clean-evaporating brand and still do an evap test on a piece of glass, there should be no residue left over after evaporation), and let the solvent evaporate and you will have a crude and dirt oil, but I don't recommend it because some of the solvent is very likely to remain in your product, but this can be fixed with effort


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drunken ophanim tries to describe DMT, which is literally impossible and I say that utterly devoid of hyperbole

but you may find it interesting to read
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[03:47:28] <+ComradePyro> "As I exhaled I became terribly afraid, my heart very rapid and strong, palms sweating. A terrible sense of dread and doom filled me -- I knew what was happening, I knew I couldn't stop it, but it was so devastating; I was being destroyed -- all that was familiar, all reference points, all identity -- all viciously shattered in a few seconds. I couldn't even mourn the loss -- there was no one left to do the mourning. Up, up, out, out, eyes closed, I am at the speed of light, expanding, expanding, expanding, faster and faster until I have become so large that I no longer exist -- my speed is so great that everything has come to a stop -- here I gaze upon the entire universe."
[03:47:37] <+ComradePyro> shulgin nailin' it
[03:48:03] <Adriaan224_> what is this about?
[03:48:26] <+ComradePyro> 100 mg of DMT, smoked
[03:48:31] <Adriaan224_> lol
[03:48:37] <Adriaan224_> isee...
[03:48:38] <+ComradePyro> I cannot recommend DMT enough
[03:48:56] <+ComradePyro> it's an eye opener for sure
[03:48:56] <Adriaan224_> DMT is what exactly?
[03:49:34] <+ComradePyro> n,n-dimethyltryptamine
[03:50:05] <+ComradePyro> I can't think of a succint moniker for it
[03:50:25] <+ComradePyro> all words fail the experience by the greatest imaginable margin
[03:50:45] <Adriaan224_> huh
[03:50:54] * Alphagamer774 (~Alphagame@5914EDF5.60D20ECA.68D59CF3.IP) has joined #lonelyden
[03:51:09] <Adriaan224_> sounds kinda scary tbh, from that description
[03:51:16] <Adriaan224_> hey again alpha
[03:51:27] <+ComradePyro> it is terrifying
[03:51:28] * Alphagamer774 waves
[03:51:34] <+ComradePyro> but "terrifying" doesn't really apply
[03:51:43] <+ComradePyro> terrifying is only meaningful from a sober perspective
[03:51:49] <becquerele> eating bvacon covered in cheese and absolutely not giving a ♥♥♥♥
[03:51:49] <Adriaan224_> hmm
[03:51:58] <+ComradePyro> drugs tend to bring about new vocabularies
[03:51:59] <Adriaan224_> damnit bec
[03:52:03] <Adriaan224_> making me hungry
[03:52:12] <+ComradePyro> DMT requires a whole new language
[03:52:17] <+ComradePyro> normal language is post-thought
[03:52:22] <+ComradePyro> DMT is
[03:52:45] <+ComradePyro> *hits gong* and you listen to the sustain
[03:52:46] <+ComradePyro> forever
[03:53:15] <+ComradePyro> a shade of a shade of a shade of a description
[03:53:42] <Fine> stop making it mystical
[03:54:04] <+ComradePyro> who said anything about it being mystical?
[03:54:07] <+ComradePyro> it's a drug
[03:54:38] <+ComradePyro> stop perceiving me as making it mystical
[03:55:02] <+ComradePyro> a terrible violence, asserting your lack of understanding as an assertion of mine
[03:55:50] <+ComradePyro> seems to me you meant to say "I don't understand and I object to this"
[03:56:29] <+ComradePyro> read a bunch of descriptions of DMT and then try it
[03:56:32] <+ComradePyro> see if you can do any better
[03:56:52] <+ComradePyro> what is color?
[03:56:54] <+ComradePyro> what is sound?
[03:57:00] <+ComradePyro> explain taste to a man with no tongue
[03:57:23] <Adriaan224_> we all have the same sensory organs though
[03:57:37] <+ComradePyro> and DMT has nothing to do with any of them
[03:58:33] <+ComradePyro> I've used the word "rainbow" as part of a description of something experienced during DMT
[03:58:49] <+ComradePyro> but color is a product of an interpretation of a signal from the eyes
[03:59:01] <+ComradePyro> and so color really had nothing to do with it, but it did
[03:59:18] <+ComradePyro> all colors and none and something else altogether
[03:59:24] <+ComradePyro> or, for short, "rainbow"
[03:59:31] <+ComradePyro> a shade of a shade of a shade of a description
[03:59:40] <+ComradePyro> stop explaining things I don't understand, it sounds mystical.
[03:59:44] <+ComradePyro> what hubris
[04:00:19] <+ComradePyro> ever watched a movie you really, really love with a friend who didn't like it that much?
[04:00:22] <+ComradePyro> sounds mystical
[04:01:39] <Adriaan224_> my butt sounds pretty mystical
[04:02:23] <+ComradePyro> if you want analytical, problem-solving language, I have to talk like this when discussing drugs in general, psychedelics specifically, and DMT even more specifically, because it changes your mental state so completely so as to render the usual words you use to relate experiences, which rely on a common understanding of a thing and an understood word symbol for that thing, irrelevant
[04:02:42] <+ComradePyro> explain color to a blind man
[04:02:56] <+ComradePyro> all I can do is make analogies
[04:03:11] <+ComradePyro> you will never understand any of them, but they can sound nice
[04:03:40] <+ComradePyro> mystical, sounds like "bah humbug"
[04:04:37] <Adriaan224_> yeah, i get what youre trying to say
[04:04:46] <+ComradePyro> if you've ever used marijuana it's an easy thing to grasp
[04:05:03] <+ComradePyro> nobody even tries to explain drunk, but I find people trying to explain high a lot
[04:05:46] <+ComradePyro> there are two definitions of mystical according to google
[04:05:54] <Adriaan224_> maybe because drunk is more common so there is less need for explanation
[04:05:59] <+ComradePyro> "inspiring a sense of spiritual mystery, awe, and fascination." is close
[04:06:04] <+ComradePyro> spiritual is a muddy word though
[04:06:09] <+ComradePyro> everything else is spot on
[04:06:18] <+ComradePyro> DMT is mystical
[04:06:24] <+ComradePyro> spiritual is relative though
[04:06:40] <+ComradePyro> the analytical mind desires rocks of axioms to extrapolate from
[04:06:54] <+ComradePyro> there are no axioms to be found, only subjective truths with few exceptions
[04:07:02] <+ComradePyro> nothing relates to everything
[04:07:09] <+ComradePyro> that's a double entendre
[04:07:22] * Alphagamer774 (~Alphagame@5914EDF5.60D20ECA.68D59CF3.IP) Quit (Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Po-ta-to, boil em, mash em, stick em in a stew.)
[04:07:38] <+ComradePyro> oogy boogy you're cursed-a-woogy
[04:07:53] <+ComradePyro> communicate with aliens and angels and all sorts of entities, maaaaaaaan
[04:08:06] <Adriaan224_> ♥♥♥♥ yeah
[04:08:36] <+ComradePyro> electrochemical neural storm or spiritual antenna which is a smoky reflection of God, whtever that is
[04:08:38] <+ComradePyro> who knows
[04:08:47] <+ComradePyro> qualia exist, though
[04:08:54] <+ComradePyro> that much you can see, hee hee
[04:09:34] <+ComradePyro> the qualia of "red" to a man blind since birth
[04:10:02] <+ComradePyro> the qualia of "*the sustained note of a gong*" to a man deaf since birth
[04:10:51] <+ComradePyro> Watts said, in a lecture, something along the lines of "There is no past, there is no future, there is only *gong and sustain for a few moments*, and we shant give it a name"
[04:10:54] <+ComradePyro> smart not to give it a name
[04:11:16] <+ComradePyro> symbols too often conflated with what they represent
[04:12:06] * Adriaan224_ (~Adriaan22@Rizon-878C2626.direct-adsl.nl) Quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
[04:12:09] <+ComradePyro> a man, having nearly burned to death, describes the intensity of the experience
[04:12:17] <+ComradePyro> "stop making it mystical" rings a cry from the audience
[04:12:33] <+ComradePyro> mouth stuffed with words, could be
[04:12:41] <+ComradePyro> man talks to himself in multiplayer notepad
[04:12:43] <+ComradePyro> alcohol, could be
[04:13:38] <+ComradePyro> fine you know many people think most human mysticism arose from psychedelic drugs
[04:13:47] <+ComradePyro> how then to make them not sound mystical if they caused mysticism
[04:14:35] <+ComradePyro> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... orized.jpg here is my mysticism
[04:14:35] * +kallemort (~kallemort@Rizon-2D66045C.bb.dnainternet.fi) Quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
[04:14:38] <+ComradePyro> pollen under SEM
[04:15:06] <+ComradePyro> http://i.imgur.com/I7K1TXn.jpg here as well
[04:15:11] <+ComradePyro> each point of light a billion suns
[04:15:22] <+ComradePyro> all above and below and in between, mystical
[04:15:37] <+ComradePyro> here, alive, awake, moving, yes
[04:16:30] * Cyrus is now known as Cyrus|Sleep


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