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Oh, and it's been a while since I've done anything informative here. Let's correct that, shall we?


DMT: Or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Machine Elves

"So, ComradePyro, what the ♥♥♥♥ is it?

Glad you asked. DMT is dimethyltryptamine, sometimes N,N-DMT. It is a chemical found commonly in nature across a wide number of plant and animal species. Wikipedia is, as useful, informative here.
"Since 1955 DMT has been found in a host of organisms: in at least fifty plant species belonging to ten families,[3] and in at least four animal species, including one gorgonian[17] and three mammalian species."
So it's ♥♥♥♥ everywhere (including Schedule I, lol, ♥♥♥♥'s illegal as ♥♥♥♥) and luckily not that hard to extract. I won't elaborate further on that particular point, because 1. I don't trust any of you around highly caustic solutions 2. Other people have already written better teks than I can. It's totally easy though.

DMT is commonly found in many vines in the Amazon, a fact which Amazonian shamans have been taking advantage of for thousands of years. Not having access to purified chemicals or the internet, they have instead perfected and passed down a brew called Ayahuasca, wherein a bunch of plants are tossed in a pot, boiled for a long time, and the resulting liquid is drank to imbibe the drug. Ayahuasca is pretty neat because DMT can't survive what is called first-pass metabolism, which basically means your liver kills it before it can get to the brain. To counteract this and make the DMT orally bioavailable, the shamans use a vine containing a naturally-occurring MAOI. MAOI = Monoamine oxidase inhibitor. As you might have guessed, monoamine oxidase is the thing in the liver which is responsible for removing DMT during first pass metabolization. Thusly, with MAO inhibited, the DMT can survive its trip through the liver and head to your brain and ♥♥♥♥ with all sorts of ♥♥♥♥ in there. White kids have, of course, realized you can take any MAOI and eat DMT and get a similar effect (there are actually quite a few plants in ayahuasca itself), and have dubbed it pharmahuasca.

"So how do I get this ♥♥♥♥ into my brain without some gross-ass tea?"

DMT in the West is largely consumed via vaporization (Not smoking! Pyrolization (setting that ♥♥♥♥ on fire) destroys the DMT and makes the harshest ♥♥♥♥ smoke), with a variety of methods employed from crack pipes (you vaporize crack too, if you didn't know, crack pipe isn't anything special really) to complicated induction heating apparatuses. If you wanna find out how to build your own solid DMT vape, google for "the machine", it's the tried and true classic.

"Okay sure but what does it do to you?

DMT is in a class all its own. Those more savvy to the chemistry side of things may have noticed the -tryptamine suffix, but let me assure you this isn't 4-HO-DMT (psilocin). This is the grandaddy of all tryptamines, the high performance F1 car to psilocin's grocery getter. If you vape DMT and do it properly, you will leave this universe entirely. There are reports of encounters with entities from beyond this plane of reality (I make no claims as to whether or not these things are "real" or merely ghosts in a drug-filled mind, the important thing here is that's what you feel like is happening at the time), often described as loving, caring, and desperate to teach you. You won't be you, by the way, because you won't be in your body, you will be in a fractal universe of infinite color and patterns. These descriptions, due to the nature of psychedelics, are about half literal and half metaphorical. I can only say that I highly recommend the experience, and that everyone should try it at least once barring some sort of medical condition.

"But ComradePyro, my mind and will are feeble instruments, you have to tell me what not to do!"

Don't do an extraction if you don't know what you're doing, don't forget to wear gloves and eye protection if you decide you know what you're doing, don't be like me and put your elbow into a drop of highly basic solution, don't abuse this ♥♥♥♥ because it is powerful as ♥♥♥♥ and I would say of all the classic psychedelics this one has the most potential to ♥♥♥♥ you up. Treat this substance with reverence, set and setting are paramount here. If you are lucky enough to get the chance to do it, you won't want to abuse it, and you will revere it, but the warning has to be given anyway.



Final thoughts: DMT has almost no capacity for tolerance, with effects returning after about an hour and baseline coming around T+18-20. Reading DMT trip reports is highly entertaining and very interesting at times. DMT has the strangest smell, like nothing else I've ever smelled. Almost plasticky, kind of spicy, the smell makes my chest tense up a little. Don't buy cheap ♥♥♥♥, get proper equipment. Have fun, be safe, always wear a condom.


Thu Jan 30, 2014 12:59 pm
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Lessons learned: Cum smells like cum because it is basic. ACRB dissolved in an NaOH solution smells like cum. Naphtha has powerful fumes. Ventilation is important. Don't put elbow in single spilled drop of caustic solution. Patience is a virtue. Do a sodium carbonate wash, even if you don't want to.


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No write-up because chemistry is hard and I ended up with DMT-N-Oxide instead of N,N-DMT like I wanted. If you ever decide to bake your own cake, remember not to heat up your non-polar solvent, esp. if you're doing an evap and not a freez precip. The extra energy in-solution oxidizes the DMT very quickly in open air. Also don't skip the defatting step, just remember to do it while your solution is acidic.

I wonder how many government lists I'm on. It's intensely amusing to me to imagine some guy in a black suit with his feet on his desk eating an apple and reading my file.


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Probably none. I don't think the government cares about middle-class white americans in the slightest. :wink:

I think the government is much less organized than it would like us to think it is.


What are the physical dangers of DMT? is it bad for the spine like I've heard acid is, or can it be outright toxic like the wrong variety of mushrooms?


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I found detailed instructions on making DMT, meth, and LSD online. They were fun to read.


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Probably none. I don't think the government cares about middle-class white americans in the slightest. :wink:

I think the government is much less organized than it would like us to think it is.


What are the physical dangers of DMT? is it bad for the spine like I've heard acid is, or can it be outright toxic like the wrong variety of mushrooms?

Throw out most everything you've heard about acid. Ever hear the orange juice story? Or how some girl tripped on acid once, then cracked her back years later and tripped balls? Totally fake, both of them. LSD has no negative physical effects that modern science is aware of. There are no physical dangers to DMT, it is one of the safest psychedelics physically speaking.

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I found detailed instructions on making DMT, meth, and LSD online. They were fun to read.

These things have been around for 40+ years now, it's not new or difficult to find. I sincerely doubt you found a dmt synthesis, you found detailed instructions on how to extract DMT from a natural source. No idea how what amounts to recipe directions was fun to read though.

E: Forgot to mention, round two success.
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EE: Also forgot to mention what I got was NMT, not DMT-N-Oxide. If you bake your own cake pull for a lot longer than you think you need to, wait for the solvent to cloud when you blow on it, it won't be hard to recognize the clouding. When in doubt, mix 'er again.


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I found detailed instructions on making DMT, meth, and LSD online. They were fun to read.

These things have been around for 40+ years now, it's not new or difficult to find. I sincerely doubt you found a dmt synthesis, you found detailed instructions on how to extract DMT from a natural source. No idea how what amounts to recipe directions was fun to read though.

Yeah that was what it was. It was still cool to read all into that.


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For those interested, a DMT extraction is basically

low heat low acidity solution to partially dissolve bark, naphtha pull (mix, let separate, repeat 4-8x, decant) to defat
(optional ^ but recommended if purity is the goal)
basify solution to ph 11 using NaoH +small portion salt (1 part salt to 5 parts NaoH roughly, look it up) to discourage emulsion
naphtha pull 4-6x using 50 ml naphtha per pull
pull is finished when breathing onto naphtha produces milky clouds in the liquid, not hard to identify, this means solution is saturated
decant naphtha and freeze it (lowers solubility) until all the crystals drop out of solution and adhere to the glass
decant naphtha and either re-use it or evap to get what will be left in it
turn jar upside down and let it dry for a long time, no liquids or naphtha smell should be present, once material is dry, scrape and let dry further because it isn't dry yet, 3+ hours in a dry room
smoke drug go 2 hyperspace


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Get this ♥♥♥♥ up you mate.


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Mute this asap

This is the supersaturated naphtha/dmt solution sitting in the extraction jar on top of the basified bark sludge, when stuff happens it is me blowing gently onto the top of the solution. Pretty. This is what it looks like when your solution is fully saturated, the stuff that appears is DMT, falling out of solution and returning to a (particulate) solid form.


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This is a question for you Homo. I'm not sure if you know anything about it, but you know so much about almost everything else I thought I might give it a try.

I've only done hallucinogenic drugs a few times (first time around my 17th birthday, 7 years ago, and then again two months ago), but I've long since thought I've had recurring effects. Not trips or any of that junk, but symptoms more akin to HPPD in a light sense, where sometimes my vision is bubbly and grainy and most all of the time I have really visible auras around objects, though not really startlingly eye catching or whatever. Thing is, it isn't all of the time like it sounds like HPPD is, so I ignore it and go on with my day.

Or I was until today, where I looked at a carpet in my workspace, got so disoriented by it (it looked like one of those optical illusions where things wave and turn) and promptly went home.

Two months ago or so I did shrooms, and it was horrendous. I got those "zaps" or whatever, where vision and sound goes to static and a wave like feeling washes over you. It felt like seizures, and by the end of the experience I was shaking constantly trying to prepare myself for the shock. After it was all done with, I was fine, except until about a month ago when I had something similar while I was trying to fall asleep. Just one very mild thing, but it was the same sensation.

And then last night I thought I had one while I was asleep (if that's even possible. It was like, during a dream).

I'm curious to know what you think of that. If it's related, or if the wavy ground was something like a migraine aura, or if I'm just imagining the shocks or whatever.


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Two months ago or so I did shrooms, and it was horrendous. I got those "zaps" or whatever, where vision and sound goes to static and a wave like feeling washes over you. It felt like seizures, and by the end of the experience I was shaking constantly trying to prepare myself for the shock. After it was all done with, I was fine, except until about a month ago when I had something similar while I was trying to fall asleep. Just one very mild thing, but it was the same sensation.
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In my case it's because of orthostatic hypotention.


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This is a question for you Homo. I'm not sure if you know anything about it, but you know so much about almost everything else I thought I might give it a try.

I've only done hallucinogenic drugs a few times (first time around my 17th birthday, 7 years ago, and then again two months ago), but I've long since thought I've had recurring effects. Not trips or any of that junk, but symptoms more akin to HPPD in a light sense, where sometimes my vision is bubbly and grainy and most all of the time I have really visible auras around objects, though not really startlingly eye catching or whatever. Thing is, it isn't all of the time like it sounds like HPPD is, so I ignore it and go on with my day.

Or I was until today, where I looked at a carpet in my workspace, got so disoriented by it (it looked like one of those optical illusions where things wave and turn) and promptly went home.

Two months ago or so I did shrooms, and it was horrendous. I got those "zaps" or whatever, where vision and sound goes to static and a wave like feeling washes over you. It felt like seizures, and by the end of the experience I was shaking constantly trying to prepare myself for the shock. After it was all done with, I was fine, except until about a month ago when I had something similar while I was trying to fall asleep. Just one very mild thing, but it was the same sensation.

And then last night I thought I had one while I was asleep (if that's even possible. It was like, during a dream).

I'm curious to know what you think of that. If it's related, or if the wavy ground was something like a migraine aura, or if I'm just imagining the shocks or whatever.


Have you ever been on any psychiatric medication? I started getting zaps because of an NDRI I was taking, and they've persisted even months after going off. It's rarely more than a few times a week and it's not really any great inconvenience, but it's there. I've never had them because of a psychedelic drug, but I once smoked waaaay too much synth cannabinoids and it was like the 'zap' feeling but constant instead of in flashes, not a fun experience at all. I couldn't even begin to speculate as to what causes them, or what they mean. I recommend talking to a doctor about it if they're interfering with your life at all.

As far as the HPPD-like symptoms, HPPD isn't really as cut and dry as the hallucinogenic perception not going away, or at least there is a need for different classes of these sort of symptoms. Throughout years of various psychedelic use, I've had a number of visual and auditory phenomena come and go. You ever seen those grills for overhead fluorescents that are essentially grids of mirrors? Like Image or something, for a while those would swim and move around and turn colors for me, it just went away. This and other things just came and went, and occasionally I get random isolated flashes of things like that, which is what I think is actually meant by "flashback", not the technicolor experience most people envision when they hear that word. This is, apparently, a fairly common experience, and I wouldn't worry about it unless it gives you a reason to worry.


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Well it's nice to hear that you get similar issues (or not nice, depending on which way you look at it).

I've not ever, save for special circumstances, taken any sort of big pharma drug. They scare me in the way heroin or morphine scare me. Such complex compounds take a long time to understand what's really going on. That's why commercials can have long lists of symptoms, because drugs effect all people different (of course you probably know that more than I do). If things like heroin and morphine were prescribed to people back in the day, I'm just not comfortable with something that people may not be sure is safe to use. Vitamin D and B supplements and ibuprofen are all I need to get me by.

Funny though, I went for a physical a couple months ago and my doc prescribed me Vitamin D even if I can get it off the shelf because I had abnormally obscenely low levels, something like ~15 μg is the average daily for people my age, and I was getting something closer to 2 or 3. Made a big difference so far. It's actually really startling how much better I've been feeling.

And I guess that's kind of what I mean. Had I told my doctor I was feeling depressed and wasn't eating, I might have gotten prescribed some anti-depression thing, when all I needed was more nutrients. (To be fair, living in one of the five most overcast states in a house where I literally boarded up windows to keep sun out probably doesn't help my D levels)


As for the headlight thing, yeah that happens too. It's more common with repeating patterns like those ones, or patterns I can't discern like those speckled carpets you find in offices and schools. Thank god I don't work in a school or office. Hate those things.

And that constant flash thing? I can't imagine how bad that must have been. It's such a hard feeling to describe, too. I try to tell people and they look at me like I'm insane. I try to say it's a bit like changing the channel on a TV and somehow getting stuck in between, but I think people forgot already what analog TVs were like.

It doesn't really bother me, I just wanted to know if it was something extremely uncommon. Big pharma might not have a place in here either, but it's more fitting than in the lounge.


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And I guess that's kind of what I mean. Had I told my doctor I was feeling depressed and wasn't eating, I might have gotten prescribed some anti-depression thing, when all I needed was more nutrients. (To be fair, living in one of the five most overcast states in a house where I literally boarded up windows to keep sun out probably doesn't help my D levels)


It's worth noting that pretty much any psychiatrist you talk to about depression is going to ask if you are a hikkikomori and vitamin D is a fairly common recommendation for depressed people in wintry states. Doctors in the nordic countries actually prescribe full spectrum lightbulbs to people who are depressed.

re: everything else, everything should go away in a few months to a year, I haven't heard of little things like these lasting longer, and afaik there's no real treatment for HPPD except maybe benzos or something.


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