It actually isn't really an ad-hominem attack to tell someone they don't know what they are talking about, because it is a statement that can be objectively proved. If it is evidently false then it could be an ad-hominem attack, but in a case where it does look like someone is trying to argue a point he knows little about then it's a pretty valid thing to point out.
As is the case here. As further evidenced by:
Sothe wrote:
The Crysis Engine part was just a hypothetical. Did I say that I was going to force them into it? Did I say that if they don't use Cryengine they might as well put on a dunce hat and try AS2? And oh my god, programmers have to do PROGRAMMING WORK instead of recycling another version on the same exact engine. God forbid.
I mean no insult by it but you have made it fairly clear that you have little understanding of game development processes, and thus are not particularly qualified to judge a developer's decisions.
Mon Jan 16, 2012 11:52 pm
Sothe
Joined: Thu Jul 21, 2011 4:34 am Posts: 2034
Re: Dear Esther
maart3n wrote:
This post is not in any way meant to be offensive.
But if your 6/7 is great, then what is an 8/9 or the rather extreme 10? Which makes me unsure if the 10 for the audio was fully deserved.
Take this into account in reviews, if you say one thing is great and give it a average rating, then really high ratings will not be believed if not backed up properly.
Back to me being offensive in my previous post, might have been, however I was not attacking you personally, I was telling you(in a rather rude way) that what you were saying is harder than you think. Thus the part about not knowing what you were talking about.
Also, there is nothing wrong with desura, it's a platform developed for indie devs and modders.
I personally loved the audio though, that's just me. Loved the soundtrack, and one of the better voice actors in macabre games I have been playing lately. And I get what you mean about reviews.
And the Cryengine thing is less about me not being familiar with game development, and more about me being a melancholic idealist. A whiny one.
Mon Jan 16, 2012 11:56 pm
Lizardheim
DRL Developer
Joined: Fri May 15, 2009 10:29 am Posts: 4107 Location: Russia
Re: Dear Esther
No i'm pretty sure it's both.
Tue Jan 17, 2012 6:54 am
Sothe
Joined: Thu Jul 21, 2011 4:34 am Posts: 2034
Re: Dear Esther
Nah main whateva ♥♥♥♥♥. I'm starting to learn about it.
Apparently flash developers exaggerate how hard their work is
Wed Jan 18, 2012 1:32 am
Miggles
Data Realms Elite
Joined: Mon Jul 12, 2010 5:39 am Posts: 4557
Re: Dear Esther
Considering that many flash diva Re wither very young or very inexperienced in the art of true game development, yes. This isn't to say flash games/programs can't be great or that all flash devs are 10 year old nubs, but it isn't nearly as hard as, say, CryEngine.
Wed Jan 18, 2012 4:08 am
Sothe
Joined: Thu Jul 21, 2011 4:34 am Posts: 2034
Re: Dear Esther
Miggles wrote:
Considering that many flash diva Re wither very young or very inexperienced in the art of true game development, yes. This isn't to say flash games/programs can't be great or that all flash devs are 10 year old nubs, but it isn't nearly as hard as, say, CryEngine.
Yeah Cryengine must take a ♥♥♥♥ ton of work.
Wed Jan 18, 2012 4:33 am
Miggles
Data Realms Elite
Joined: Mon Jul 12, 2010 5:39 am Posts: 4557
Re: Dear Esther
Well yeah, no ♥♥♥♥ dude. The budget behind it must be almost or even an upwards of 1 million dollars.
Wed Jan 18, 2012 4:57 am
maart3n
Joined: Tue Dec 23, 2008 8:04 pm Posts: 1545
Re: Dear Esther
Apparantly I'm the only one here who actually looks his facts up.
Cryengine is free if you don't want to earn money. Cryengine is free if you have a small indie company and want to earn money, however a part of the money you make will go to crytek. Cryengine is really ♥♥♥♥ expensive in all other cases.
Wed Jan 18, 2012 7:22 am
Sothe
Joined: Thu Jul 21, 2011 4:34 am Posts: 2034
Re: Dear Esther
maart3n wrote:
Apparantly I'm the only one here who actually looks his facts up.
Cryengine is free if you don't want to earn money. Cryengine is free if you have a small indie company and want to earn money, however a part of the money you make will go to crytek. Cryengine is really ♥♥♥♥ expensive in all other cases.
So money is out of the issue. the Dear Esther team would just need manpower. Or in moddb's case nerdpower
Wed Jan 18, 2012 7:40 am
Metal Chao
Joined: Sat May 05, 2007 6:04 pm Posts: 2901
Re: Dear Esther
I never said anything about money, converting a whole game to a new engine is a huge pain in the ass for not actually a great deal of benefit and will introduce a colossal amount of bugs Bugtesting is the most horrible activity known to man, and it gets worse the larger a game is
Changing engine is something you do when starting a new project, you absolutely do not take a whole, complete product, strip out the engine and insert a new one You'll have to put in so much effort to make that work that you might as well have been making a new game anyway
Wed Jan 18, 2012 11:42 am
gtaiiilc
Joined: Wed Dec 13, 2006 12:10 am Posts: 562 Location: Termina
Re: Dear Esther
All I want to say is , why fix what isen't broke
and that sure ass hell don't look broke!
Wed Jan 18, 2012 3:27 pm
Sothe
Joined: Thu Jul 21, 2011 4:34 am Posts: 2034
Re: Dear Esther
Maybe it would be easier for them to just bump up to the latest version of Source Engine when it comes out.
Thu Jan 19, 2012 1:31 am
Miggles
Data Realms Elite
Joined: Mon Jul 12, 2010 5:39 am Posts: 4557
Re: Dear Esther
maart3n wrote:
Apparantly I'm the only one here who actually looks his facts up.
Cryengine is free if you don't want to earn money. Cryengine is free if you have a small indie company and want to earn money, however a part of the money you make will go to crytek. Cryengine is really ♥♥♥♥ expensive in all other cases.
I meant the budget that was used to create it, not the money needed for rights to use it.
Thu Jan 19, 2012 2:21 am
caekdaemon
Data Realms Elite
Joined: Sun Nov 01, 2009 3:00 pm Posts: 4144 Location: Hell.
Re: Dear Esther
Why not just use the Unreal engine?
It looks good, its cheap/free, and its not ridiculously hard to learn.
Everyone wins.
Thu Jan 19, 2012 4:39 pm
gtaiiilc
Joined: Wed Dec 13, 2006 12:10 am Posts: 562 Location: Termina
Re: Dear Esther
caekdaemon wrote:
Why not just use the Unreal engine?
It looks good, its cheap/free, and its not ridiculously hard to learn.
Everyone wins.
or use source becuse... 1. It started out as a source mod. 2. They already paid for it. 3. It's less than a month from release. 4. It already looks better thank some indie UDK games out there.
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