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Also Joseh, I really don't think you should be instantly ruling out fiction on your search for truth

I'm not in the search for truth. I can't actually explain what exactly I want/need just by letters, but I'll try to.
I need to find something that can give me the knowledge of what people think like. I'm not seeking for new ways to see the world, I'm seeking for how people see the world. I have my own vision, my own personality, and I won't change because of someone. I change if I want to, if I think of a better way to think. But I will never change if someone tells me about a better way to think.
For an example of how I think, I don't believe in love. I think love is just a trick that makes your brain like someone, but instead you can just be friends with that person.
And I don't believe in anything that hasn't been fully explained, but I also believe in everything that hasn't been fully explained, because you see, everything is possible.
I don't want a fictional story about a satellite that gets infected with a virus, making everyone in it die. I don't want a book about a guy that is able to ride dragons and has to defeat a spectrum to save the world of elves, dwarfs, etc.
I don't need a book, but they would surely help.
So if you don't like the way I think, I don't care about it (:
And that's why I need a good book just the way I want. And please don't try to discuss about this, let's not change topics like we did in the Dungeon Keeper thread.
So, anyone else has books that I want? Some of the books you guys recommended weren't available here or were way too expensive. Thanks for caring about it, tho.


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See that is where I think you are mistaken, while it is true that many books do simply exist to tell you a story about a man killing dragons, just as many use the realm of fiction to examine the human condition and, yes, different approaches to understanding the world around you.
Not every book has a moral but plenty of them will clearly demonstrate an author's way of thinking or ideal view of what a person should be or do. Become widely read in all realms of fiction and you'll have tasted hundreds of different perspectives on how a person should view the world and what they are expected to do with their life.

It's also much less galling to swallow philosophy entwined with a narrative than it is to read someone literally telling you how to think!


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Anyone who hasn't read the complete works of Terry Pratchett should probably stop whatever boring bull♥♥♥♥ they're currently doing and do that

Complete works?
Boy that's a lot
And I've only read the Colour of Magic...


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Metal Chao wrote:
Anyone who hasn't read the complete works of Terry Pratchett should probably stop whatever boring bull♥♥♥♥ they're currently doing and do that

Complete works?
Boy that's a lot
And I've only read the Colour of Magic...

The first few are his worst, you're missing out 0:
Most of them don't need to be read in order

Guards! Guards! > Men at Arms > Feet of Clay > Jingo > The Fifth Elephant > Night Watch > Thud!
is not a bad place to start (haha start, that is seven books) because Sam Vimes is a very popular character and Thud! is widely regarded as among the best of all of them


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See that is where I think you are mistaken, while it is true that many books do simply exist to tell you a story about a man killing dragons, just as many use the realm of fiction to examine the human condition and, yes, different approaches to understanding the world around you.
Not every book has a moral but plenty of them will clearly demonstrate an author's way of thinking or ideal view of what a person should be or do. Become widely read in all realms of fiction and you'll have tasted hundreds of different perspectives on how a person should view the world and what they are expected to do with their life.

It's also much less galling to swallow philosophy entwined with a narrative than it is to read someone literally telling you how to think!

I have to say, you DO have a point. But we shall all say that we all have our opinions and thoughts, and if you want to change your view of the world by a fiction book, well, it's your choice. But I don't want to, and, well, it's my choice.
Anyways, it's not only books that can make you think, some songs also mean stuff. Not to mention movies like Donnie Darko, The Box, etc.


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You're entitled to your own opinion but that doesn't mean I can't tell you when it's a bit silly.
If you want to artificially limit yourself for no particular reason though, there's no way I can actually stop you.


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You're entitled to your own opinion but that doesn't mean I can't tell you when it's a bit silly.
If you want to artificially limit yourself for no particular reason though, there's no way I can actually stop you.

I think it's intelligent, and I think your opinion is silly, and the same for you about me.
As for limiting myself to artificial limits, well, I'm more of a realistic person, not an artificial one. And BTW, I don't care if it's galling to learn about things I see interesting.
If you want to continue the discussion, let's do it somewhere else so we don't go off topic here.


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I think you're all silly
Now go read a book!


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I don't like Terry Pratchett as a person, and I find his books difficult to read.


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Nobody got my Leaf House joke


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I got it Sothe, I just didn't think it was funny enough to be worthy of acknowledgement

Also Veg I'm afraid you're not allowed to talk to me any more


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Although I'm familiar with the name Terry Pratchett and what he's written, I can't say I've ever been able to bring myself to read any of them. The idea of series scares me, even if they don't have much to do with each other. I read LotR because it's really like one huge book split up into three parts so you don't have to carry it all around at once, but it's all the same story. Series, with multiple stories going on like series often do (like harry potter, each book is a story but you need to read all of them for a bigger story thing), I just can't do it. Also when they bring a series into so many books, I start to feel like the author has just run out of ideas.

I couldn't even pick up the second Master and Commander, and I ♥♥♥♥ loved the first one (and the movie). Dune? I don't think it would even be worth it - I've heard the sequels are significantly lesser than that epic we all know and love.

Also, Joseh, to say that you don't want to read fiction because you don't like artificial stories becaues you're not artificial is extremely confusing. Much of the time the stories can be more real than any non-fiction book. They don't call it "getting into a book" for no reason. When I read, I feel like I'm there. I don't think about the text on the page, I think about what's going to happen with the my best friend the main character (or if the story is really really interesting, my least favorite person, the protagonist). I remember reading the first Flashman novel and accidentally throwing the book in frustration and glee at the wall at one point when Flashman is deemed a hero near the end-ish (If you've read the book, you'd understand.)

On that note, Flashman is a great book. Its pedantic history and histerical humour makes it one of those books I still re-read. The sequels are good too (Yes, I know I hate series, but I just loved Flashman too much not to read them).


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Also, Joseh, to say that you don't want to read fiction because you don't like artificial stories becaues you're not artificial is extremely confusing. Much of the time the stories can be more real than any non-fiction book. They don't call it "getting into a book" for no reason. When I read, I feel like I'm there. I don't think about the text on the page, I think about what's going to happen with the my best friend the main character (or if the story is really really interesting, my least favorite person, the protagonist). I remember reading the first Flashman novel and accidentally throwing the book in frustration and glee at the wall at one point when Flashman is deemed a hero near the end-ish (If you've read the book, you'd understand.)

Gah, too much things to explain about me. I've read fantasy books once. I've read romance books, comedy books, dramatic books, etc.
I've never "got inside" them. I don't know why, but I just can't. All I see on the book is letters and a nice story to tell my children when I grow up.


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