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also you are ten years off.

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He has a good point though. I don't mind the smell of weed, actually I mind it much less than the putrid stink of most cigarettes, but a lot of people really seem to adore the smell. I don't think it tastes or smells good.

In fact, I think the taste is pretty unpleasent, and I was a heavy smoker for a while (I am still a smoker, though much lighter).

Surely people who enjoy the smell are just buying into the weed culture and don't actually find the aroma pleasent, do they?

Also, living among potheads day in and day out, (literally, since I have lived with multiple), I have never understood why the spend money on new weed-smoking devices which are lesser to the ones they already have in front of them. By this I mean mostly pipes and bongs. There were bongs and pipes in my house for extended periods with each of the junkies who have lived here (mostly Mary, but irrellevent), yet when people came to smoke, they didn't instantly sit down with the big water pipe and light up. Hell, a lot of the times people would make joints or spliffs or blunts and soforth. Now, I can understand rolling something like that when you know you can't carry your big ass bong or don't feel like packing a pretty conspicuous pipe, but in the home I can't see a reason.

As far as I'm concerned, water pipes are more enjoyable to any rolled weed product. And as far as I can tell, it's healthier too. Maybe my friends are just retards (actually, this could be the case), but I witnessed this in Germany too, and I witness this in Canada. It seems universal. People would often rather roll a joint than put clean water in a bong (or if they're lazy use the water already there) when they're just sitting and chilling on the couch, watching cheech and chong, eating doritos, without a care in the world about whatever the ♥♥♥♥ they need to be doing. Is there any explenation? I suppose yes I could ask them tomorrow, but I don't feel like it.


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He has a good point though. I don't mind the smell of weed, actually I mind it much less than the putrid stink of most cigarettes, but a lot of people really seem to adore the smell. I don't think it tastes or smells good.

In fact, I think the taste is pretty unpleasent, and I was a heavy smoker for a while (I am still a smoker, though much lighter).

Surely people who enjoy the smell are just buying into the weed culture and don't actually find the aroma pleasent, do they?

Also, living among potheads day in and day out, (literally, since I have lived with multiple), I have never understood why the spend money on new weed-smoking devices which are lesser to the ones they already have in front of them. By this I mean mostly pipes and bongs. There were bongs and pipes in my house for extended periods with each of the junkies who have lived here (mostly Mary, but irrellevent), yet when people came to smoke, they didn't instantly sit down with the big water pipe and light up. Hell, a lot of the times people would make joints or spliffs or blunts and soforth. Now, I can understand rolling something like that when you know you can't carry your big ass bong or don't feel like packing a pretty conspicuous pipe, but in the home I can't see a reason.

As far as I'm concerned, water pipes are more enjoyable to any rolled weed product. And as far as I can tell, it's healthier too. Maybe my friends are just retards (actually, this could be the case), but I witnessed this in Germany too, and I witness this in Canada. It seems universal. People would often rather roll a joint than put clean water in a bong (or if they're lazy use the water already there) when they're just sitting and chilling on the couch, watching cheech and chong, eating doritos, without a care in the world about whatever the ♥♥♥♥ they need to be doing. Is there any explenation? I suppose yes I could ask them tomorrow, but I don't feel like it.


The explanation is that you don't understand that people have different motivations and opinions than you do. Different kinds of smoking devices allow for different rates of consumption, alter the way the smoke tastes and feels, and have cultural appeal sometimes. A bong has the downside of not really allowing small hits and the upside of having really smooth hits, so you're going to be smoking more, faster, than you would out of a bowl or a joint or something. I personally love the whole act of rolling a big blunt and smoking it, but some people hate blunts altogether. In Europe, it's almost unheard of to roll a joint without tobacco in it. Over here, the reverse is true; it's almost unheard of to roll a joint with tobacco in it. Sometimes it's just too annoying to load up the bong and so you just use the bowl, and sometimes it's relaxing to do the whole ritual of getting the bong ready for smoking. Bongs are awkward with more than 3 or 4 people, rolled weed is kind of wasteful. It's really just a matter of preference, same with the taste and smell of weed. Some people like ketchup, I think it's vile. I don't see how this isn't immediately obvious, really.

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Lesser is a matter of opinion. I have no idea why this wouldn't be immediately obvious to you.


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Yeah, lesser was a poor choice in words. I suppose I'm simply not the sort of person who smokes weed in any normal fashion. I've "had" to when people insisted on it and I didn't feel like being a chicken, and I've felt like I've had to when I've been really drunk. After people get to know me they stop asking if I want to smoke, but nobody knew me abroad. I'm not really a fan of marijuana.

I've really tried hard not to buy into that stuff about how weed kills your brain and stuff, but being subjected to that sort of propoganda your entire life is pretty persuasive.

That said I did really enjoy quality time with one other dude and a blunt. Until an asswipe came in with a knife demanding that we give him free drugs because he'd smoked his stash with us before. That's a jerk move. Especially with drugs.

Drugs have got to be the one thing I don't understand getting super upset about (or, just the one thing I really don't understand). Alcohol and cigarettes included. Unless its your job to sell it and your wellbeing and standard of life or hinged on having them to sell, I don't think people should get so uppity about it. I may always be drinking at parties, but I don't get angry when somebody doesn't have alcohol in stock. Not being able to get my prefered drug isn't going to make me be violent towards other people, yet I see all the time people who think it's their right and duty to smoke a shitton of weed or pop some molly or chew on some shrooms or drink from the bottle or whatever. Drugs enhance and improve an experience, they shouldn't make them. Heck, to me it follows the same principle as gas money. I enjoy driving around with friends, but asking for gasmoney is out of the question because I know they'll drive me around and it'll all come around somehow.

Maybe I'm just super conservative about things like this. Eh, wrong word. Super uninformed? Nah, well maybe, but still...


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Yeah, lesser was a poor choice in words. I suppose I'm simply not the sort of person who smokes weed in any normal fashion. I've "had" to when people insisted on it and I didn't feel like being a chicken, and I've felt like I've had to when I've been really drunk. After people get to know me they stop asking if I want to smoke, but nobody knew me abroad. I'm not really a fan of marijuana.

I've really tried hard not to buy into that stuff about how weed kills your brain and stuff, but being subjected to that sort of propoganda your entire life is pretty persuasive.

That said I did really enjoy quality time with one other dude and a blunt. Until an asswipe came in with a knife demanding that we give him free drugs because he'd smoked his stash with us before. That's a jerk move. Especially with drugs.

Drugs have got to be the one thing I don't understand getting super upset about (or, just the one thing I really don't understand). Alcohol and cigarettes included. Unless its your job to sell it and your wellbeing and standard of life or hinged on having them to sell, I don't think people should get so uppity about it. I may always be drinking at parties, but I don't get angry when somebody doesn't have alcohol in stock. Not being able to get my prefered drug isn't going to make me be violent towards other people, yet I see all the time people who think it's their right and duty to smoke a shitton of weed or pop some molly or chew on some shrooms or drink from the bottle or whatever. Drugs enhance and improve an experience, they shouldn't make them. Heck, to me it follows the same principle as gas money. I enjoy driving around with friends, but asking for gasmoney is out of the question because I know they'll drive me around and it'll all come around somehow.

Maybe I'm just super conservative about things like this. Eh, wrong word. Super uninformed? Nah, well maybe, but still...


I can tell you without a shade of doubt that marijuana does not kill brain cells. Drugs are not inherently bad. Many of them cure headaches, stomachaches, diarrhea, and cancer. Recreational (aka psychoactive) drugs are not inherently good or bad any more than medical drugs are inherently good or bad. Both categories have effects that are good or bad depending upon the situation. Drugs are not an experience, but they can definitely make an experience, and in my case and many others, they have painted broad strokes across my life.

Being allowed to experience new modes of consciousness via the use of various psychoactive drugs should be a basic human right, in my mind. I realize things are different in the first world than other countries and even that could change soon, but we exist in a time of relative prosperity. Life now is easier than any other time, ever. Sensationalism and the news media fools you into thinking otherwise, but this truly is the best time ever for you to be alive, so far. We are not quite into space yet, and I feel we have conquered much of what we can conquer on this Earth and consequently have managed to build societies wherein man has an unprecedented amount of leisure time. The very fact that children do not work, excepting education and certain farm-related exceptions, can attest to that.

As such, we very much desire to fill that free time with the things we enjoy, because hey, why not? Think about the passion a person can have for the things they enjoy. When you're doing something you enjoy, something that you never get bored of and where each motion feels like you're just moving your muscles along a track set out for them to be a thousand percent perfect, you feel a peace in your heart, which is the real point of the thing after all.

That state of being perfectly content with what you are doing,of not having to not allow yourself to think beyond the work you are doing and living in the single present moment of perception in the river of time, is a major central theme to Eastern philosophies (Differing from Western thought in that Western thought is all about stepping back from your environment and examining critically, not identifying with reality in order to not confuse yourself as to what reality actually IS. I think both approaches have their place in life and both should be studied long and hard.). Buddhists call it Buddha nature (A Buddha [not THE Buddha] is a man who has achieved enlightenment, separate from or even above the gods, unbound by time and space), Taoists call it the Tao, there are many names for it, but trust me when I say they're all different paths to the same thing.

I mention all of those things because if you pay attention you will see a great emphasis on specific modes of consciousness. "Leisure time", "prosperity", "enlightenment" and even having been "educated" are all contributing factors to your mode of consciousness in the big picture. You experience things in your life, the internal processes of your brain chew on them over a period of time, accepting new stimuli as it comes and chewing on that, and changing its internal processes as a reaction. Physics pretty much relies on the idea that the universe operates according to certain rules, and so we know that in reality time is an illusion and is more of a dimension in space, and that everything that ever is and was and in fact everything that ever could be exists, as far as we know.

And yet we are wired to experience only Now. A single frame of existence at a time, we are not these individual frames of time but the man in the lay-z-boy, watching it all roll by. This ties into the free will problem and is basically the place where people assign the soul, I think, but we won't go into that. What we will go into, however, is the answer to your question at long last. I thank you for your patience with my slightly high ramblings.

The reason why people get so upset about drugs is because of all that stuff I was talking about earlier. Since we experience time as we do, we can sometimes have a hard time seeing the gradual changes because of our tendency to normalize things. Thusly, something that can vastly change the internal goings on of our mind, and so alter our experience of reality, very quickly is obviously going to be very interesting and, with some drugs, a very pleasurable experience. The change over time of the intensity of the subjective experience determines the "rush" factor of a consumed substance.

Unfortunately, people can let themselves get very attached to the expectation of this psychoactive experience and so, as do all things when desire, attachment, and reality collide, it turns to ♥♥♥♥. Addiction is wonderful and feeling good all the time really is subjectively ♥♥♥♥ awesome. Reality doesn't work like that, and so we have the collision. The smaller scale is being butthurt because you can't smoke weed at a party or something, when if you had never expected weed you might have had fun. Buddhism, Taoism, and Zen are all basically teaching that while you are not capable of always controlling your environment, you are capable of controlling your reactions to it. Just slightly different perspectives.

Lastly, I would like you to consider this when thinking about my comment about drugs being a right: I wouldn't have thought any of these things or spoken any of these words or very likely not have been a tenth as wise as I am if it were not for drugs. I have used psychedelics to explore new frontiers of human existence, to explore realms of sensation and the inside of my own mind with the infinities it holds, and I have come back from the depths much wiser. I have been torn apart and shown incredible things, maybe products of the leviathan depths of my own subconscious mind, maybe somewhere else. I cannot say, we cannot know. What I do know, though, is that everyone has benefited from psychedelic and other drugs, from the influences of drugs on the people who have influenced our culture, and not just music and movies and stuff either.

Dang I'm high.

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I've "had" to when people insisted on it and I didn't feel like being a chicken, and I've felt like I've had to when I've been really drunk.

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I'm not really a fan of marijuana.

Mindset and setting are very important with drugs. The former statement causes the latter, I'm willing to bet, especially with the other story about enjoying it you told.


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It's such a shame that it's hard to convey that opinion to those without any level of the experience without sounding pretentious, you make a convincing argument with conviction.


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weed is great w/ moderation


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My cat smokes weed.


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Oph, I still want some shrooms if you have any.


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I don't know if drugs will help my situation.


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Never done shrooms, what's it like?


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It's a sensory experience totally without precedent in sober consciousness that is totally unrelatable to someone who has not done psychedelic drugs. Your experience of the world and mode of consciousness are so fundamentally and massively altered from a sober state that it's like trying to explain color to a man who has been blind since birth. I envy anyone who hasn't done psychedelics because they get to do psychedelics for the first time.


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Just ate truffles I bought in Amsterdam, which proceeded to do jack ♥♥♥♥. That made me sad.


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DMT oil extracted from acacia confusa root bark. Will report back post-hyperspace, which will be any time within a week from now.


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DMT eh? I've read a lot about it some time ago. I am looking forward to post-experience summary.


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