Miles is a gigantic idiot who believes in stupid conspiracy theories and doesn't know what he's talking about.

I don't think I'm going to meet much opposition with that statement.

Also, I still think Bison-power is the best renewable energy.

fine, whatever, I ♥♥♥♥ up my numbers, and the descriptions of ONE of the power sources, and that was Geothermal, it doesn't have a damn thing to do with the sun.

The only thing about Tidal power I messed up, was that I confused it with Wave power.

and as for 'conspiracies' no. it isn't a conspiracy, it's an fact. DWP sues 99% of anyone who attempts to get power while off the power grid. (in the united states) and the crap about tesla, is also a fact. it happened, study your history.


This wasn't a political debate, this was a conversation on renewable energy. Despite problems with the numbers, and a few problems on the descriptions, I still stand by my statements. I will not make the availability of power depend on currents of water and air, that are not constant.

You're retarded. "The DWP" doesn't exist. There's the LADWP, which is the Department of Water and Power for LA. There aren't a lot of places large enough to require a DWP you git.

Someone report Miles for shamelessly trolling everyone in this topic.

Also, so, uh, wow.

Geothermal heat is created by the friction from the massive belts of liquid iron that move around the center of the earth. Also the massive pressure, and probably to some degree by decaying radioactive material.

But the biggest thing is just the movement of liquid iron. Virtually none of the energy comes from the Sun; we've got a MAGNETIC FIELD protecting us from the only charged particles that could heat the center of the earth. Oh, and what generates that magnetic field? OH RIGHT, THE MOVEMENT OF LIQUID IRON AROUND THE CORE.

Actually Grif, the Numbers say that 5% of the heat in the core is residual heat from the impact,
5% is from Gravity Pressure (I guess that includes magma friction), and 90% of the heat is from the
radioactive decay of Uranium, Potassium, and Thorium that was dense and sunk to the middle of the Earth.

I got that from Whitty's little link earlier in the thread.

Anyway, radioactive decay produces so much reliable energy that they make nuclear batteries for pacemakers
out of them using the energetic electrons that shoot out and capturing them with silicon (well, not anymore...).

There are people on TV who have entire shows telling people how to feed power back into the grid so that the power companies will pay them. I'm tired of conspiracy theorists and all this 'THE GOVERNMENT IS KEEPING ALTERNATIVE FUEL SOURCES DOWN' bull♥♥♥♥.

I understand the Earth isn't running out of oil, and all that, and the suppressing blah blah blah.

If they were suppressing it, they are doing a pretty crappy job. It's not suppression, it's
just nobody wants to invest in it when oil still makes a whole lotta cash.

But if you want to make some money, that's what we need it for. Something that you can
leave going on your roof and it will pay you. At least, that's my idea.

If you don't put power into the grid, and still pull power, they get pissed.
If you don't put power into the grid, and don't pull power, they charge you with stealing energy, because your 'stealing there profits' I know 2 people who have had this happen personally, the 'conspiracies' come from somewhere, IE Actual events.

And if you put power back into the grid, they do pay you, but they pay you less than what they would charge you for the same KWHs. Been there, done that.



Ohio has a DWP, cleveland/columbus. I live there, I know.



The only point I was trying to make is, given the resources of oh, A NATION, the use of Geothermal energy, is the most studied and worth while to build on a national scale, and it's NOT because we're in an economy based on fuel. Other power-sources, are effective, but somewhat stunted by being inefficient, having safety hazards, or by greed. The electro-static harnessing, while it works, requires enough super-conductors to build a semi, and is thus only good on a global scale, and as for the magnet wheels, contained in a huge controlled environment, would require nearly all naturally occurring magnets, to get a substantial city-scale power from, and would be, again, only efficient on a global scale.

If any given national government where to replace out-right ALL of its power-sources, Geothermal is the best one to use. If we had a freaky, and impossible, one-world-government, then the electro-static capture, or 'magnet wheels' theories, would be best. However, because these power-sources have a 100% chance to outlive humanity (baring natural disaster), without loss of power, and therefor, there is no way to charge for the KWH. You must not forget, we are living in a world, where our 'leaders' seriously argued over weather or not it should be mandatory to charge people per-email, or post.

No, fusion energy plants ore one of the best energy sources, as unlike geothermal energy we don't have to DRILL 5 MILES INTO THE EARTH'S CRUST.

You're ♥♥♥♥ retarded and misunderstood what your friends told you or something. If you don't pay for power but produce your own, they can't charge you with stealing their profits. You just attempted to tell me that someone got sued for not allowing the DWP a monopoly. You're ♥♥♥♥ retarded.

Conspiracy nuts, especially Tesla ones, lol....
Do you wear tin foil on your head to ward off the mind control devices?

Anyway, Miles you're focusing too much on one power source being our savior, like many things in life the answer doesn't lie in extremes but compromises, power will come from tons of different types based on your location and government. Not until we develop the perfect power source that is flawless in every way will will have a single source of power....and even then its not assured.

And you're being retarded, but I'm sure that record is broken for you already.

Oh yes, because we have an infinite amount of nuclear fuel cells, which cost absurd amounts of money to refine and produce, take months to make, and require huge amounts of non-renewable resources to manufacture. Yeah our surplus will really out-last THE SUN AND THE EARTH ITSELF.


For geothermal energy. you might have to drill down, 5 miles, but guess what. Once its built, its BUILT! NO MORE WORK! YOU HIT A FREAKING BUTTON! No fuel required. Nuclear plants, still require just as many resources to build, AND still require fuel ON TOP OF THAT.


and for the record, NO, no tinfoil hat. I ignore 90% of all conspiracies because there retarded. and as for being charged with stealing power? Guess what? The guy went to court, it got moved to a higher court, at least 3 times, he lost, and he is now +$400,000. in debt. Why? He covered his house in solar panels, and had multiple other sources of power, and used them, off the grid, for more than 5 years. It did happen, quit saying its a BS Conspiracy theory just because you don't magically know about it from nowhere.

Erm, I think you're confusing Nuclear Fusion and Nuclear Fission.
Tritium is relatively easy to produce, and deuterium, whilst energy intensive, by no means takes months.

Fission is Uranium

but guess what? Fusion takes nearly as much effort to make the fuel for. they don't just dump in water.

"Fusion power commonly proposes the use of deuterium, an isotope of hydrogen, as fuel and in many current designs also use lithium. Assuming a fusion energy output equal to the 1995 global power output of about 100 EJ/yr (= 1 x 1020 J/yr) and that this does not increase in the future, then the known current lithium reserves would last 3000 years, "

Menwhile mr Geothermal here
"The MIT report estimated that there was enough energy in hard rocks 10 km below the United States to supply all the world's current needs for 30,000 years.[10] However, favourable locations for EGS (eg in central Australia) may require wells only 4 kilometres (2 mi) deep."

*motions at edited post*
*motions at fact that 4km hole is still pretty hard to make*
*rubs sore hands*
Well technically it is water, just a different Isotope. Nah, I'm being an ass (pronounced as in >as<p, refering to the donkey from the stories of Aesop - implying idiocy).
Really, it's impossible to prove either systematically better than the other. I'm somewhat with Alpha, only in that a singularly perfect power source is both unlikely and not currently existing. Though I'd prefer if we had a proper discussion as opposed to consantly calling each other idiots and stupid conspiracy theorists.
Though I dispute your claim that Fusion reaction fuel is of equal difficulty to Fission fuel to produce.