Beyond that, you can't even be sure that the way you perceive the world is the same as other people perceive the world. What if your best friend has always seen the color blue as what you would call the color red? Has always seen in upside-down vision? Sees and moves in four physical dimensions?
Quite the fun ♥♥♥♥, reality.

Even if my friend sees blue as pink, it doesn't matter, because to him, blue has always been pink and he's always grown up with it. In fact, I'm pretty certain that people all perceive things differently - they've just grown up with it all their lives, and so yeah, I'd be freaked out if I saw the world through their eyes, but to them, everything's normal.

I don't need any proof that our world is the real one, other than living in it. It isn't really something that I can prove or disprove, I just don't give a ♥♥♥♥. I accept it as the real world, there is no reason to believe it isn't the real world, and if it isn't, it doesn't affect me as far as I'm concerned.

Protip: This theory is both unprovable and does not matter. Arguing about this makes about as much sense as arguing about god. There's going to be a lot of conjecture, a lot of hot air, and not a shred of proof. Move on.

not necessarily. It's all a matter of perception.

Yes i know that it cannot be proven one way or the other. but its fun to think about when you're baked, no?

yes, necessarily. you can't just decide that WHOO I'M SO HIGH EVERYTHING IS PERCEPTION WHY DO THEY CALL THEM FINGERS IF YOU NEVER SEE THEM FING and decide you're some kind of ♥♥♥♥ intellectual/philosopher/whatever

you sound like a ♥♥♥♥ stoner (and you are, and at least you admit it) but christ, stop being so goddamn proud of yourself for entirely the wrong reasons

Okay we are talking about drugs here. We are talking about the brain. Are you a neuro-scientist who knows absolutely everything about the human mind? Can you tell me that if two people do acid in the same room that you know exactly what effects they are going to feel, what ♥♥♥♥ they are going to see?

If some of the ♥♥♥♥ people see when they are hallucinating WAS real (and i don't say for a second it is)...it would be something never measured before, probably something impossible to record using physical means. Rules such as the ones we have attempted to use to explain our universe would not apply. For this reason, these hallucinations would probably not be consistent, and also because it`s the human mind we are dealing with.

Everything is a matter of perception. Please tell me about a moment where a person has observed something and their perception has not come into play.

And don`t get me started into all the reasons I hate myself.

Pseudo, you're really not helping your case. No need to get all angry about it. Just accept that it's a stupid topic to debate about, since there's absolutely no evidence supporting that view, and when you try to argue it, you sound like some sort of nutjob. Just let it die, and find a better drug related topic to talk about in here.

So, uh, how does one tell the difference between a body high and a head high? So far, every time I've gotten high, the same thing's happened - I lose a little balance, time seems to go maybe a bit slower, but only barely noticeably, my vision is slightly zoomed-in, and I can only focus on one thing, but when I do, I take in every detail, be it music, a voice, a face, a taste. Oh, and I get really happy. There's never really been any change in that, though, it's always been like that.

Does that sound like I'm describing a head high or a body high? And how would I experience the other type of high that I'm clearly not experiencing?

What other drugs do you consider safe to consume? Like, I'm not afraid of reefer madness-what other sorts of things could I try, with confidence that it wouldn't be harmful to me?

Differentiation comes with experience. You'll be a discerning connoisseur in no time~ But you just described a head high to a T
As for safe drugs, most drugs are in moderation. I've smoked meth and crack with no negative repercussions. Don't try to find a list of drugs you can do, just do the research on the ones you want to do and decide for yourself if you're okay with the possibility of negative repercussions.


As for the stupid discussion currently going on, a lot of people are talking out their ass and it's starting to really annoy me.

While I'm sure you got a lot of satisfaction out of telling him why he's dumb, this is a debate topic, not a knock someone down a peg topic.

No, actually, not necessarily. Reality is dictated by consciousness. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=il0pzBsh ... re=related I realize that Through the Wormhole isn't exactly a peer-reviewed paper or anything, but it's a good place to start, use it as a kind of index and branch out.

Requoting because I take issue with this entire thing. Since when has debate been disagreeing, then insulting someone? Stop ♥♥♥♥ posting to satisfy your own ego. Either take him seriously and actually debate with him or shut up.

Thank you for being sensible. You too, Allstone and Duh <3

Anyone who's experienced with psychedelia would know intuitively that what they saw is not real, it's just a drug throwing a monkey wrench into the system and things go haywire for a little bit. Unless you're talking about things like DMT/ayahuasca/ibogaine, in which case I would posit that you're quite out of your depth. You need to spend some more time thinking these ideas you have out. They have some merit, but there are quite a few breakdowns in logic. Examine them critically, I usually do this by writing them down, and coming back to them a day or two later, when your ego has detached itself from it a little bit and you can think about it with less bias.

okay yes I ♥♥♥♥ up my bad

I'll just quit posting in your thread tucker

sound good?

Why? Just stop posting badly and you're good. It's nbd really I just try to be a hardass about that stuff because if I don't then it keeps happening~

Hey ophanim, the guy in the picture in the main post is you?

You mean the one with the hand rolled tobacco cigarette? Yep :3

You have nice eyes. They look pretty wierd in the photo, but they look nice.

I am beautiful, no matter what they say~ Thank you sir but I would remind you that private messages exist~